[NL2-NL10] NL10, 63s, freeplay

    • tomzs
      tomzs
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      Joined: 19.10.2008 Posts: 54
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $2,00
      MP1:
      $12,94
      MP2:
      $10,22
      BU:
      $8,69

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 6:heart: , 3:heart:
      2 folds, MP1 calls $0,10, MP2 calls $0,10, 2 folds, BU calls $0,10, SB folds, Hero checks.

      Flop: ($0,45) 4:heart: , Q:spade: , 2:heart: (4 players)
      Hero checks, MP1 bets $0,40, 3 folds.

      Final Pot: $0,85

      1. I got FD+Gutshot and that's 13outs, is it profitable to call or push here?
  • 7 replies
    • Midazolam
      Midazolam
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      Joined: 25.09.2007 Posts: 7,825
      I don´t have 13 outs. You have to discount them. I would say you got 9 or 10 outs. So you cann´t call but you can push it. (Pot odds ~2:1 / Odds 1.9:1)
    • dandycal
      dandycal
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      Joined: 10.10.2008 Posts: 1,711
      Yes, you have to discount at least 2 outs from your FD here because you are drawing to a very low flush. It is also a multi-way pot, so you have to be more strict when discounting outs.

      The push would be alright because with 10 outs you need 2:1 odds to call (since when you push you get both the cards of turn and river).
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Hello Tomzs,

      Good fold because you are not sure if you have best hand whenever you hit the straight on the turn or the flush ;)

      Discount 2 or 3 outs and you have a non-callable hand, muck it

      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • dandycal
      dandycal
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      Joined: 10.10.2008 Posts: 1,711
      Hey Gerv, what if he pushed flop? By doing that he'd guarantee 2:1 pot odds with 10 outs, is that good enough?
    • HannesNL
      HannesNL
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      Joined: 18.11.2008 Posts: 4,590
      And if he crai the flop all-in, does he have enough FE to make him lay down Top pair? I can understand an AI on flop...
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Originally posted by dandycal
      Hey Gerv, what if he pushed flop? By doing that he'd guarantee 2:1 pot odds with 10 outs, is that good enough?
      You push $1.9 for $0.85 but the only guarantee you have is that you have a gutshot, not knowing if he draws for a flush as well.

      Against TPTK you have 42%, trips 33% against A x also 33%, not my preferred play with just 1bb invested :)

      Originally posted by timkroes
      And if he crai the flop all-in, does he have enough FE to make him lay down Top pair? I can understand an AI on flop...
      On micro's I think monkeys wont fold TopPair, maybe he shows a medium PP in which you have 44% equity against but there are several factors needed to determine FE and on micros simply folding this one is the best move since you do not use 1) stats, 2) do not have experience in marginal situations and 3) you only have 1bb invested in an unraised pot, just wait for a better spot :)

      - Gerv
    • dandycal
      dandycal
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      I understand, thanks!