Rewards for loyal PS poker players that can not put so much volume?

    • slikec
      slikec
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      Joined: 04.02.2008 Posts: 1,155
      Ok rewards should obviously be for all but more would benefit players that can not make it into top250(if you didn't realize is hard to get there especially if you are not FL player). I meant sth. like some cash bonuses also for us small fishes that play poker lowest limits and gather small PS which in time grow a bit;)

      I had in mind some small cash reward when you reach certain amount of base StrategyPoints. Lets say for every 20-25k SP we get 100$ or sth. similar until we reach black status. Than is over since you get black parties as reward:D

      Me personally i never see my self in top250 ;( And jet i put some small volume. I know i get lots of possibilities to learn more for which you spend a lot of money so i also know this reward system won't be accepted for various reasons but well we can start discussion. Minuses i can already think of myself are:
      - our rewards for SP are materials available here,
      - won't really make anyone play more,
      - you'll have just lot of work checking who passed mark and transfering money,
      - 100$ won't make big difference anyway for good players that make nice profit, ....

      Anyway i would like to read some other players opinion ;)

      slikec
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    • mishuq
      mishuq
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      Joined: 31.07.2008 Posts: 436
      I think this is almost every PS player would be up for this but like you said it's a lot of work and money involved
    • darkonebg
      darkonebg
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      Joined: 17.01.2008 Posts: 9,508
      Well pokerstrategy is organizing tournaments very often, has the best bonuses on the web and offers the highest rakeback possible for the certain site.It offers many promotions that every member can qualify for every month. Im not even mentioning the coachings and hand evaluations
      The top 250 is really for the top 250 members, and it should stay that way. It is for guys that dont benefit from all other promotions made for the mass member, and yet the contribute to the profit of PS in a very high %.
      I've been to many affiliates in the web, and I can asure you, this is the best one.
    • opal99
      opal99
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      Joined: 05.02.2008 Posts: 8,270
      Originally posted by slikec
      Minuses i can already think of myself are:
      - our rewards for SP are materials available here,
      - won't really make anyone play more,
      - you'll have just lot of work checking who passed mark and transfering money,
      - 100$ won't make big difference anyway for good players that make nice profit,
      I think you answered yourself very well ;)
    • viewer88
      viewer88
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      Joined: 19.04.2008 Posts: 5,545
      top notch learning material, live coaching and free! hand reviews by top players sounds like a pretty sweet bonus to me :)

      Top that off with good rakeback deals, freerolls and an active and friendly community + 50$ free money to start of your carreer.

      Man I love this site! GG pokerstrategy :)
    • Xantos
      Xantos
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      Joined: 07.09.2005 Posts: 8,760
      Hey,

      of course it is legitimate to ask - as everyone wants to improve his personal situation.

      I will try to explain our view on things:

      1. PokerStrategy.com risks money on new players
      As we give away free money to very beginners, we need to recover that with the successful players later on. It is important to keep that in mind when speculating about the financial possibilities we have.

      2. Our Focus: Improving your Winning Rate
      Our focus still is being a poker school & community. Our goal is to offer you the best possible poker education & the best possible platform to learn together with others.
      Producing huge amounts of videos, articles, coachings etc. for 14 lanugages does not come at a bargain. Additionally, we need to improve our web technology & basic functions.
      So our focus is to improve your winning rate with all possible means, which will in the end bring you much more than a $ here or there.

      3. Rakeback / Bonuses
      PokerStrategy.com offers the maximum allowed rakeback/bonuses on every of our partner poker rooms. We e.g. fought for getting rid of the weekly goals at PartyPoker and improving Mansions bonus system - even though we will in the end pay a large amount of the additional bonus cost!
      We even try to improve the bonus / VIP systems of the poker rooms in your interest. Next to that, we are not even allowed to really give away much - it would be like illegal rakeback. What we currently do is already at the brink - add up all the small promotions, freerolls, lotteries and big things like the Top250.

      4. Background of the Top250
      The Top250 is a bonbon for our very top players. Even to them it is not comparable to rakeback deals or VIP programmes. So even if we channeled that money in another direction, there would not be much to give to a Gold member.

      5. No Better Offer
      Combine the fact that we give the best possible bonus/rakeback conditions on nearly all important poker sites PLUS we offer all our content PLUS we offer promotions.
      That just leads to the reality that there is no better offer - which is a strong sign that we are heavily investing in you.

      6. Illegal Rakeback Offers
      We will not and cannot compete with illegal rakeback offers, e.g. like what NoIQ did at iPoker or what some affiliates might try to do for some time.
      There are many reasons:
      * Honesty - as a business and a community PokerStrategy.com is built upon trust towards our customers and our business partners (the poker sites)
      * Sustainability - Illegal Rakeback kills Poker Rooms / especially Networks. A skin investing into "fish marketing" will get his profits sucked out by the illegal rakeback offers. If you plan to stay in the business (whether as player or as community as we do), this is something really bad.
      * Security - in the past there were many occasions when illegal rakeback offers led to problems for players recovering their bankrolls, like it has been when Microgaming expelled a lot of skins that gave illegal rakeback back in 2007


      What we currently offer you as a Gold member
      * ever-improving videos, coachings, articles to make sure you beat your limits and climb up
      * special services like the hand judgement forums
      * best possible bonus/rakeback conditions at the major poker rooms
      * a strong connection to our partners to e.g. solve your problems if necessary
      * special offers like freerolls or - just recent - the possibility to get another $50+$100 at Mansion Poker (see http://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/pokerstrategy/Additional-5-Bonus-Starting-Capital-At-Mansion-Poker_15008 )

      I can promise that we will to great steps forward in 2009 especially on the English site.
      If you have any more specific questions, I'll be happy to answer them.
    • CoreySteel
      CoreySteel
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      Joined: 25.10.2006 Posts: 3,366
      Originally posted by slikec
      I had in mind some small cash reward when you reach certain amount of base StrategyPoints. Lets say for every 20-25k SP we get 100$ or sth. similar until we reach black status. Than is over since you get black parties as reward:D
      I don't quite get it, why do you want rewards? The PokerStrategy site should be the reward by itself.
      25k SP and 100$ doesn't mean anything... Or it shouldn't. With all help that PokerStrategy gives you, you should earn 100$ in a day or so :)
    • NiekamNeidomu
      NiekamNeidomu
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      Joined: 29.05.2007 Posts: 307
      Sliky dont b gready ! xD just go read sng material and repeat Boku's quest ! xD you wont b needing those 100$ xD hmm.. damn i gona go read those sng articles myself xD lal..
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,382
      It would be cool to be able to view our ranking no matter what rank we are, this would be a great motivation to play more. Everyone wants to see how they compare vs other PS players!
      Actual rank cap visible is 1000 atm I think.

      It could be ordered by BB/100, BR, ROI, hands played, $ earned, etc
    • andyb43
      andyb43
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      Joined: 23.07.2008 Posts: 903
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      It would be cool to be able to view our ranking no matter what rank we are, this would be a great motivation to play more. Everyone wants to see how they compare vs other PS players!
      Actual rank cap visible is 1000 atm I think.

      It could be ordered by BB/100, BR, ROI, hands played, $ earned, etc
      Now this IS a GOOD idea..........come on PS, your software should be able to do this sitting down.........
    • Alafoe
      Alafoe
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      Joined: 28.08.2008 Posts: 202
      So it would be nice from you to place exact numbers on the home page how much you did invest to certain player and how much was your rake based revard.

      Since you are not doing that all the replies about huge revards system are somehow blablabla...
    • opal99
      opal99
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      Joined: 05.02.2008 Posts: 8,270
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      It could be ordered by BB/100, BR, ROI, hands played, $ earned, etc
      Sounds funny to me... how would you do that? Where would you get those info from?

      impossible if you think about that ;)
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,382
      Originally posted by opal99
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      It could be ordered by BB/100, BR, ROI, hands played, $ earned, etc
      Sounds funny to me... how would you do that? Where would you get those info from?

      impossible if you think about that ;)
      Now that you mention it, it seems impossible! :( I was tipsy when I posted that suggestion hehe

      But I'm pretty sure you can allow us to see the complete ranking(not just 1000) based on PS points =)
    • themagpiespg
      themagpiespg
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      Joined: 23.02.2009 Posts: 280
      Hi all I've only been a member for just over 2 weeks and the benefits I have got so far have help me to plug a very big hole in my game ie my BRM used to suck and I kept going broke I'd have a big win then I'd lose it all but now with the $50 starting br from PS, coaching, videos and the stratergy articles I'm doing very well thanks to PS so why do u want more if u had to pay for all this help it would cost a hell of lot of cash so just enjoy what's u get cause it's all a bonus.
    • TheLastNail
      TheLastNail
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      Joined: 30.05.2008 Posts: 6,021
      the potential profit u can make out of all the learnig process.. in comparison with 100$ per 25k points.. ROFL .. if u d fully use all the adv of ps, would those 100$ be then like offering Bill Gates a day's free ticket for public transport..

      and i dont mean only financial profits.. these are all very nice guys, u can keep in touch with em via skype, icq etc.. its a gr8 community..

      i simply love it...

      and personally.. i was wondering abt top 250 promo recently.. had complety other notions than u, slikec.. i think 100-500$ for the guys its just very symbolic.. so how abt not enlarging no. of rewards, but actually making less..sth like top50 for prizes to have actually more of a value for ppl..

      but on the other hand, once again.. this is not that much abt money.. the ranking system itself should be rather a competition booster imo.. c how good u do vs the rest.. and now top10/community paid places was added also mainly for this purpose imo

      all the money u ever make is eventually thx to ps.. so why to be just seeing money everywhere..

      i d rather suggest more of discussions in analyzis forums etc.. bcs this game is not only abt money, its an intellectual fun game..

      so just enjoy it, and this is the site where to do so.. at playing platform u have hard work.. but here.. it s practice and fun in the community.. it should alw remain basically this way, so that ppl actually are NOT motivated by money, but to get to see the brighter side of poker which is deepening of its understanding imo..
    • LMOJ
      LMOJ
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      Illegal rakeback offers? What's that? What makes a rakeback offer illegal? Can someone explain in more detail?
    • Xantos
      Xantos
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      About Illegal Rakeback

      Rakeback capped at poker networks (like iPoker) and stand-alones (like PartyPoker) alike. The reason is to prevent an unhealthy rakeback competition between skins (the different poker rooms on a network) and the affiliates.

      To explain why that is so unhealthy, I try to explain the ecology of online poker with a simple example:

      * Let us say you are poker room X, who does huge and successful marketing in the media to bring in new players.
      * Your latest ad campaign brought in a player who deposits $500 at a cost of $200.
      * As this player is a fish, he loses the $500 to other players, generating only $100 gross rake for you.

      If you are a stand-alone, this is not a big problem: you will eventually get more rake to cover up your $200. Maybe in the end you get $350 of total rake and the winning players get $150 - so both have equal profits.

      But if there is an affiliate or (even worse) skin on your network that specialises in having great rakeback offers, chances are that especially the winning players (who know the market way better than beginners) play there.

      Now, you, the poker room that brought in the depositing player worth $500 for a price of $200 only gets $100 back. Even though his ad campaign was great if you put all of the poker world into one big pot, it did not pay him off.

      The profits that should be rightfully yours is shared by the offerer of illegal rakeback and the players getting that.


      The Spiral of Death

      In the short run, that might sound great to the winning players (you're probably not the poker room, but more the winning player in that example ;) ) - just because you are getting more money.

      But the problem is that the eco system of poker is now already damaged: the poker room who does successful marketing does not earn money with it. They will discontinue to bring in new players and maybe even join that rakeback race to gain some profits back.


      History Shows

      There were already networks brought down by that. The problem is that many networks just looked for the "quick dollar" so they did not tackle such parasitic business models.

      Nowadays, they luckily take action because they understood. Take NoIQ as an example: they were expelled from iPoker, because they gave hidden/illegal rakeback.

      NoIQ did never ever do any marketing, not even affiliating on sites bringing in new players like us or PokerNews or PokerListings. All their rake went into rakeback and their own pockets.

      They just lived on the backs of the honest poker rooms and honest poker players. Their parasitic business model did not consist of anything else but the thought "how can we squeeze money out of the poker market without having to do own software, own marketing etc.".
    • TheBrood
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      Great explanation and it can be applied to other businesses too imo
    • yankee92
      yankee92
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      Originally posted by TheBrood
      It would be cool to be able to view our ranking no matter what rank we are, this would be a great motivation to play more. Everyone wants to see how they compare vs other PS players!
      Actual rank cap visible is 1000 atm I think.

      It could be ordered by BB/100, BR, ROI, hands played, $ earned, etc
      totally agree
    • darkishbet
      darkishbet
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      Joined: 06.03.2009 Posts: 27
      Well I think maybe it would be great idea to let people get another starting capital when they reach for example some amount of lifetime strategy points, what you think about that?
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