shoving AK/QQ preflop

    • Talic
      Talic
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      shoving AK/QQ preflop
      I want a conservative opinion about shoving AK/QQ pf. on most NL25SH/ and also NL50SH

      I tend to shove AK more often than QQ,



      If I get 3bet from Rock (smth. like 15/13 and 4% 3bet) I call AK/QQ
      If I get 4bet from Rock (smth. like 15/13 and 4% 3bet) I fold AK/QQ

      If I get 3bet from "TAG" (smth. like 19/13 and 5,5% 3bet) I 4bet AK and call QQ
      If I get 4bet from "TAG" (smth. like 19/13 and 5,5% 3bet) I shove AK and fold QQ

      If I get 3bet from "LAG" (smth. like 26/16 and 6,5%+ 3bet) I 4bet AK and not sure if I 4bet QQ
      If I get 4bet from "LAG" (smth. like 26/16 and 6,5%+ 3bet) I shove AK and not sure if I shove QQ

      against wierd min 3/4bets from guys like 56/8 I tend to call/fold AK/QQ

      does it have smth. to do with total AF?

      or you can post me a link to an article (few pages long, it does not have to be a whole book)

      thanks
  • 4 replies
    • jubigti
      jubigti
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      Joined: 04.04.2008 Posts: 1,314
      Hello Talic,

      sorry for my bad english-skills, but i am from the german part of pokerstrategy and want to improve my english.


      Do you know the pokerstrategy-equilator?

      I just dont see why you push AK and fold QQ?
      Either of them got nearly the same Equity versus Villains-Range.

      Here one example versus an Tight 4bet/broke Range:

      Villain: QQ+, AKs, AKo

      Equity with AK:39,594%
      Equity with QQ:40,207%

      And remember you have many foldequity with your 4bet with QQ

      You raise MP with QQ to 4bb an get an 3bet to 12bb + blinds 1,5bb

      you can win with your 4bet 17,5bb because your opponent has to fold many hands fromt his 3betting range...

      if he has 5,5% 3bet this means he 3bets nearly: 99+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+

      and if you 4bet and hes really tight and call only QQ+,AKo+, hes has to fold: AQs,AQo,KQs,99,TT,JJ.

      and you ever win 17,5bb :D



      and if youre opponets go broke looser, like:

      villain: TT+, AQs+, KQs, AKo
      Equity with AK: 45,662%
      Equity with QQ: 53,511%

      QQ is the better Hand because it Dominates TT / JJ and AK only got an coinflip vs. TT / JJ

      i hope it helps a little bit.
    • Talic
      Talic
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      Joined: 04.01.2008 Posts: 1,851
      with AK there is less KK and AA hand combination, that was my suggestion and my thought
    • jubigti
      jubigti
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      Okey, but please ship it with QQ in the future, you have so many foldequity... use it :)
    • Talic
      Talic
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      Joined: 04.01.2008 Posts: 1,851
      Originally posted by tonyffo
      Okey, but please ship it with QQ in the future, you have so many foldequity... use it :)
      basicly:

      AK: 32% against KK (3), 45% against QQ (6), 7% against AA (3)
      QQ: 57% against AKo (12), 54% against AKs (4) 18% against KK (6) and 18% against AA (6), 50% against QQ (1)


      (x) = combinations of the hand

      result: ??????

      speculative: shoving range QQ+,AK+

      QQ: vs. AKo, AKs,QQ,KK,AA

      12x57%+4x54%+1x50%+6x18%+6x18%/29 = 40,2%


      AKo (lets say): vs. AKo, AKs,QQ,KK,AA

      8x50%+6x44%+3x31%+3x8%/20 = 39,05% (remember its AKo!)


      ok.. so I discovered totally nothing, its the same (AKs is the winner tho)