[NL2-NL10] NL100, TT, squeezed

    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $46,90
      BB:
      $66,90
      MP1:
      $17,00
      MP2:
      $104,65
      MP3:
      $41,25
      CO:
      $28,20
      BU:
      $72,00

      0,5/1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is UTG1 with T:heart: , T:diamond:
      Hero raises to $4,00, 3 folds, MP3 calls $4,00, CO calls $4,00, BU raises to $16,00, 4 folds, CO calls $12,00.

      Flop: ($41,50) 4:club: , 9:heart: , 5:spade: (2 players)
      CO bets $12,20 (All-In), BU calls $12,20.

      Turn: ($65,90) A:heart:
      River: ($65,90) 2:diamond: (1 players)


      Final Pot: $65,90

      This hand gave me quite some hard time...

      1. I would like to ask how do you calculate need equity/pot odds when there are cold caller behind you and you get squeezed? Can I consider them as dead money and therefore lower my needed equity or should I calculate my equity against 2 opponents or...

      2. What range can I give BU in such a spot if he's unkown? Should I put him on ordinary JJ+/AK or could he be looser because of the squeeze?

      P.S.: My elephant is having it's issues again, so I'm adding hero's stack: 28BB.
  • 8 replies
    • alejandrosh
      alejandrosh
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      Joined: 02.07.2008 Posts: 4,346
      update your elephant, mine also started to put UTG and UTG+1 stats after that.

      Imo you can count them as dead money since after you push your 24bb they will be facing a UTG raise + reraise + utg push ... unless there's some weird trap with KK+ they should normally fold. against JJ+,AK this is a fold then.
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Hi burek2k,

      Your stack = ?

      Coming over the top is a very strong move so I count both as dead money thus 8% less BE needed. So against a giant-squeezer:

      5,406,972 games 3.578 secs 1,511,171 games/sec

      Board:
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 40.283% 39.29% 01.04% 2124206 56057.00 { TT }
      Hand 1: 59.717% 58.74% 01.04% 3176163 56060.00 { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }
      Assuming 20bb stack:
      2:1 = 33% so I shove here :)

      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • burek2000
      burek2000
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      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Originally posted by burek2000
      P.S.: My elephant is having it's issues again, so I'm adding hero's stack: 28BB.
      So, do you think I could put villain on TT+/AQ+? I mean, should this be one of tightest ranges?

      EDIT: He was unkown, so I don't think he's a regular, because then I would know him. So I'm not sure if he's "familiar" with squeeze play and is raising any looser for this reason....
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Originally posted by burek2000
      Originally posted by burek2000
      P.S.: My elephant is having it's issues again, so I'm adding hero's stack: 28BB.
      So, do you think I could put villain on TT+/AQ+? I mean, should this be one of tightest ranges?

      EDIT: He was unkown, so I don't think he's a regular, because then I would know him. So I'm not sure if he's "familiar" with squeeze play and is raising any looser for this reason....
      with 28bb hmm you definitly create fold equity then but a squeeze with 2 cc'ers well I found AQ+,TT+ a decent range.

      And even with 28bb you need 37.5% break-even eq and the 8bb deadmoney compensate for it imo.
    • burek2000
      burek2000
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      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Thank you, Gerv,

      I was confused here because of all the players in the pot...

      ...now I see I can push next time as you suggest. :)

      Btw, I felt lucky when I folded and he showed KK in this hand. ^^
    • IngolPoker
      IngolPoker
      Black
      Joined: 05.09.2006 Posts: 10,469
      i would say easy fold :P

      its just never good for him to 3bet sth like TT or AQ against an SSSer....no matter the deadmoney


      You need 24/64 = 37,5% EQ and you will never have that against a good opponent

      In the end the question is : "does he 3bet AQ here?"

      I wouldnt think so and fold accordingly
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Originally posted by IngolPoker
      its just never good for him to 3bet sth like TT or AQ against an SSSer....no matter the deadmoney
      Yeh I agree especially SSp EP's position.. squeezer doesnt have the FE because of 1) deadmoney & 2) openraise position

      Also do we have to take in consideration his 3bet size which is 2x+2x so actually a min3bet + 4bb for every ccaller??

      What would a normal squeeze size be Max?
    • IngolPoker
      IngolPoker
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      Joined: 05.09.2006 Posts: 10,469
      Well, he doesnt have to squeeze big here , because you (the shorty) + the two other guys have small stacks....

      If its BSS vs BSSers, a normal squeeze is maybe 3x the raise + 1x extra for each caller


      Dont try to read too much from bet(raise) sizes, oftentimes it just doesnt matter at all :)