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    • RealPatzer
      RealPatzer
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      Joined: 27.02.2005 Posts: 271
      Hi to all,

      I wont post my stats from one short SH Session on a .5/1-Table. The stats are scary - afraid that I am a LAG (FISH :( ).

      108 Hands
      Won 26.9%
      Flop seen 42.6% !! :(
      VPIP 43,52
      won at flop seen 50%
      PFR 30.6
      AGR 5.23

      Stats from pokergrader-client.

      I doubled up my beginning Stack after a 10 BB down.
      Was that only Lady Luck - 108 Hand are not much.

      Hope that the german forum opens shortly - because its difficult for me use the english language. Perhaps difficult for u to read ;) .
  • 12 replies
    • Sleyde
      Sleyde
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      Joined: 15.01.2005 Posts: 17,714
      108 hands dont mean ANYTHING.
    • RealPatzer
      RealPatzer
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      Joined: 27.02.2005 Posts: 271
      OK I KNOW.

      Let me ask so:

      What are good stats in

      VPIP
      PFR
      AGR

      (range from to)

      Want not play further SH without knowledge over the best range.
    • ChrisA3
      ChrisA3
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      Joined: 25.08.2005 Posts: 6,481
      VPIP somewhere between 23 and 30 depending on style and table.
      PFR should be close to VPIP on a tight table, but on .5/1 16-18 should be enough.

      Agression factor is pretty good between 3 and 4, over 4 is generally considered as too agressive and under 3 sucks too ^^
    • Wiseguy
      Wiseguy
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      Joined: 05.02.2005 Posts: 2,033
      Original von RealPatzer
      Hi to all,

      I wont post my stats from one short SH Session on a .5/1-Table. The stats are scary - afraid that I am a LAG (FISH :( ).
      Stats like this are quite normal when your swinging up. Mine from todays session with 500Hands and an average of 7BB/100Hands:


      32vpip
      23pfr
      5,9 af

      36 wts
      52 won at sd
      48 attend to steal

      folded bb to steal 52
      olded sb to steal 100

      So don't panic.
    • RealPatzer
      RealPatzer
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      Joined: 27.02.2005 Posts: 271
      Thank you

      so I go on playing on the SH-tables - to waork on my leaks
    • Wiseguy
      Wiseguy
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      Joined: 05.02.2005 Posts: 2,033
      But keep in mind that those are UPSWING stats. You shouldn't have such stats over 20K hands...
      I guess 21-25VPIP should be ok and your PFR should be 3/4 of that. AF shouldn't be lower than 3...
    • RealPatzer
      RealPatzer
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      Joined: 27.02.2005 Posts: 271
      Ok ty
    • LastEmu
      LastEmu
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      Joined: 26.02.2006 Posts: 196
      LAG doesn't mean fish! It is a very very very dificult style to play as a beginner (probably why this site encourages TAG play), but certainly not fishy when done right. Even good LAGs are 30% over the long run, though ;)
    • Stargoose
      Stargoose
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      Joined: 17.01.2005 Posts: 4,077
      Nice point to stress out ... Good LAG play is very very positional, with a lot of oppponent reading involved. Fishy LAG play is just betting and raising without a clue. Imo LAG play works best a higher limit games, especially No Limit Cash Games. Limit players should probably stick to the conservative TAG game ...
    • LastEmu
      LastEmu
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      Joined: 26.02.2006 Posts: 196
      Well, it's pretty dificult to manipulate the pot in limit (as compared to no limit); I wouldn't even know how to LAG it up.
    • realyn
      realyn
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      Joined: 24.03.2005 Posts: 1,952
      Originally posted by Stargoose
      Nice point to stress out ... Good LAG play is very very positional, with a lot of oppponent reading involved. Fishy LAG play is just betting and raising without a clue. Imo LAG play works best a higher limit games, especially No Limit Cash Games. Limit players should probably stick to the conservative TAG game ...
      like farha ..
    • LastEmu
      LastEmu
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      Joined: 26.02.2006 Posts: 196
      Farha, Negreanu, Ivey... All super-aggro players. Call one of them a fish :P