[NL2-NL10] NL10 FR (SSS) K,Qo in BB - 2 callers - no contibet

  • 10 replies
    • Gerv
      Gerv
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Convert please and then I will have a look at it!
    • dandycal
      dandycal
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.10.2008 Posts: 1,711
      You pre-flop bet was too small. You had 4 limpers (counting SB), that means 4+4BB. When you are OOP (SB and BB) and you have 3+ limpers before you you should push pre-flop, especially with these marginal hands.

      That way you get more fold equity pre-flop and also consider that if somebody called you, you'd be pot commited post-flop and you would have to push anyway.



      @Gerv: The conversion is not so bad, Gerv. Only the stacks seem to have been posted in a weird way. :rolleyes:
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Hi Gerv,

      Here you go. Originally posted hand in BSS and copied it across which is why it looks messed up:

      dandycal, thanks - what you say makes a lot of sense. Do you remember where the 3+ limpers push rule is contained - i.e. which article?

      Cheers

      Known players: (for a description of vp$ip, pfr, ats, folded bb, af, wts, wsd or hands click here)
      UTG:
      $3.06
      UTG+2:
      $10
      SB:
      $8.28
      MP1:
      $10
      UTG+1:
      $15.39
      Hero:
      $2
      MP3:
      $2.40
      MP2:
      $4.86
      CO:
      $1.65
      BU:
      $10.52

      0.05/0.10 No-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K:club: , Q:spade:
      4 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, MP3 calls $0.10, CO folds, BU calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.70, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.60, BU calls $0.60, SB folds.

      Flop: ($2.30) 9:spade: , 6:diamond: , 4:heart: (3 players)
      Hero checks, MP3 bets $1.70 (All-In), BU calls $1.70, Hero folds.

      Turn: ($5.70) J:spade:
      River: ($5.70) 7:heart:


      Final Pot: $5.70
    • dandycal
      dandycal
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.10.2008 Posts: 1,711
      Well, anyway, this is much better, Tim.
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/no-limit/822/

      ...that's the article which says you should go all-in when you have to invest more than 50% of your stack when you raise. But you benefit from being a part of forum community and we'll tell you to go all-in when sitting OOP(in the blinds) when you have to invest more than 35% of your stack e.g. when there are 3+ limpers before you. That's due to the fact it's better to go all-in preflop than to let your opponents see the flop where you would have to shove anyflop by being first in.
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Hey burek2000,

      That's a nice tip - I'm much obliged to you!

      Does that go for any hand that the SHC says you should raise? Including K,Qo as in the example hand?

      Thanks again.
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Originally posted by Tim64
      Hey burek2000,

      That's a nice tip - I'm much obliged to you!

      Does that go for any hand that the SHC says you should raise? Including K,Qo as in the example hand?

      Thanks again.
      Yup, any hand you would otherwise raise with. It would be more profitable to just raise instead of push KK+, but then you could get exploited, so just do it with all the hands.
    • ysessa
      ysessa
      Basic
      Joined: 11.07.2008 Posts: 1,331
      Hi Tim64,

      pushing directly has the highest ev in this situation, you dont want to get a mw-pot as you can see.

      One sentence about balancing: Balancing is overrated push all your hands and raise kk+ here its no problem the player pool is so huge, you want to move up the limits as fast as possible so always choose the play with the highest ev when you arrived nl 400 then you can care about balancing, but to be honest when you reached nl400 first you have to learn many other things.
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Hi ysessa,

      Is 'balancing' where you try to even out your stats to make it harder for your opponents to read you? One for the glossary, perhaps.

      Thanks again.
    • ysessa
      ysessa
      Basic
      Joined: 11.07.2008 Posts: 1,331
      Hi Tim64,

      balancing is for example that you would play every hand the same way in this spot means when you raise aces in this spot you should raise all your hands you want to play, but i dont think its necessary on this limits