[NL2] AA on JJJ board

    • GleDi713
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      PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 198.5 BB (VPIP: 11.54, PFR: 3.85, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
      SB: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 20.97, PFR: 17.74, 3Bet Preflop: 21.05, Hands: 63)
      BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
      UTG: 54 BB (VPIP: 17.28, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 84)
      UTG+1: 260 BB (VPIP: 19.23, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 2.38, Hands: 105)
      MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
      Hero (MP+1): 146.5 BB
      MP+2: 137.5 BB (VPIP: 5.88, PFR: 2.94, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 34)
      CO: 38.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:heart: A:diamond:

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

      Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) J:spade: J:diamond: J:heart:
      SB bets 97.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 97.5 BB

      Turn: (202 BB, 2 players) 4:spade:

      River: (202 BB, 2 players) 3:diamond:

      SB shows Q:club: J:club: (Four of a Kind, Jacks)
      (Pre 20%, Flop 99.9%, Turn 100%)
      Hero shows A:heart: A:diamond: (Full House, Jacks full of Aces)
      (Pre 80%, Flop 0.1%, Turn 0%)
      SB wins 195 BB

      Should i fold here ?
  • 14 replies
    • la55i
      la55i
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      If you don't have very good reads, then yes I think you should fold here. You have invested only 3bb and now you are risking your whole stack.

      Villains move doesn't make any sense even if he had J here. But shoving the flop with 22-JJ makes even less sense.
    • GleDi713
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      Wasn't expecting that shove at all. Decided to call, thinking he would slowplay a jack. However his play is not that bad you might even get called by ace high in nl2 :P
    • TurokRider
      TurokRider
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      I'm insta-calling. If he has a Jack, so be it
    • Shadow01011979
      Shadow01011979
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      Depends a lot on the player. If I see a maniac, it's an instant call. Depending on the player, he is far more likely to have any pocket pair there than a J. But again, depends on how aggressive he is.
    • ldmariodl28
      ldmariodl28
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      I see no way you fold. 4 of a kind is so rare and if he had a full house also yours is better so I think you made the right play.
    • Fanko
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      Most players will never donk shove 10x overbet quads but apperantly this one is special. You are even blocking some of his AJ combos. It is an unpleasant spot and noone can blame you if you choose to fold. It is strange because his stats look normal, so I would have to presume he chose to take a line that makes no sense at all
      so you think he is somehow bluffing and call with an overpair. I guess just fold until you see him do stupid moves like that with air or weak hands.
    • YohanN7
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      What's stupid about making nuts and betting big representing a bluff?

      There are player's who see bluffs in big bets and nuts in suck bets. They are the easiest opponents in the world.
    • toteatoo
      toteatoo
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      This spot is opponent-dependent. Some fishes think they have almost nuts with low full-house with their pocket pairs. Some opponents would bluff here and representing Jx, some would shove for value...
    • eridanski
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      Unless he is a nit you should call.
    • pdfbq
      pdfbq
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      I read two times here that villains line makes no sense.
      Well.. he got the stacks in didn't he :f_cool:

      Second if you run into quads you run into quads.
      I think its a cooler.
    • coldchurch
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      If he has never made this move before, just fold. If he's done it before and is a maniac, call.
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
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      Originally posted by coldchurch
      If he has never made this move before, just fold. If he's done it before and is a maniac, call.
      Even then it’s tough to fold the 2nd nuts I think. In this case I would make a note of it and if he will doing it again with quads you have the info he’s only doing this with the nuts.

      Cheers,
      SDK1987
    • DonQuishove
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      Here, it's very dependent on the player. True you have not much invested in the pot, but you have a big opportunity to double up through your opponent's likely 2nd best hand. I'd call the first time and take a note on the player though. Against a nit who's scared to put money in the pot, we might consider folding. However against an unknown, I'd prefer to call and see what he's up to, giving him 100bb from time to time.
    • YohanN7
      YohanN7
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      Might add that this is the sort of question that shouldn't be posted here (but maybe at the NL100+ forums). You'll get opinions (not knowledge) only, and highly unreliable population reads. Had it been that posters agree, then there might be something in it, but posters don't agree. I also get the feeling that you get about the same set of answers if it were 200 bb, not 100 bb.