[NL2-NL10] nl400 sss JJ with double stack in steal position

    • PoPoVitch
      PoPoVitch
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      Joined: 09.01.2008 Posts: 1,766
      Hi
      Here is a hand in nl400 wich gives me some problem.
      You have to know that I'm new at this limit and I 've been called very light a lot of time.

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      HAND #1
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      Full Tilt, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
      Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

      MP2: $458.10 (114.5 bb)
      MP3: $389 (97.3 bb)
      Hero (CO): $189.20 (47.3 bb)
      BTN: $400 (100 bb)
      SB: $415.50 (103.9 bb)
      BB: $80 (20 bb)
      UTG+1: $400 (100 bb)
      UTG+2: $400 (100 bb)
      MP1: $1,049.55 (262.4 bb)

      Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with J
      5 folds, Hero raises to $12, BTN folds, SB raises to $40, BB folds, Hero calls $28

      Flop: ($84) T (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($84) 7 (2 players)
      SB bets $62, Hero calls $62

      River: ($208) 6 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks


      I did'nt do a contibet cause the flop is (I think) nice for a check/raise for vilain and i would have benn obliged to fold.
      I called turn cause like that i would be able to go to the showdown without putting more money in the pot if villain has'nt got the flush.

      I think there are something wrong but i don't know how to play this hand.


      Thx
      (sorry for the mistakes)
  • 10 replies
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,383
      Im no expert but I would fold to turn bet since our implied are low with your stack and the flop looks like it hit him hard. Also you could be drawing dead against a flush and you cannot count any diamond as out for you.
    • Gafny
      Gafny
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      Joined: 05.11.2008 Posts: 337
      id play pocket jacks with oesd aggresively here and willingly push a reraise
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Do you got statistics of Villain PoPoVitch although I doubt this since you are ''new'' to NL400.

      If not, I recommend you first to gather some database prior to your sessions.

      I cannot judge your hand but I will give my view on it.
      Preflop: Ok
      Post-flop, I think you can either cb or c-bet but if you hit your straight, will you get more value out of it?

      On the Turn: well you are either drawing dead, have 32% to hit your OESD and knowing that you have to throw your remaining $90 in the middle on the River.

      So odds you get is $84+$149:$62
      =
      3.75:1 => 10 outs needed knowning that you have to throw it into the middle on the river and your opponent calls you.

      Thus I fold Turn but I really like to know what 1) the stats of SB are and 2) if Ysessa or ingol would contibet postflop here.

      - Gerv
    • PoPoVitch
      PoPoVitch
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      Joined: 09.01.2008 Posts: 1,766
      stats of vilain: 23/10/2.3 on 40hands

      not a lot of hands on players of nl400...
    • burek2000
      burek2000
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      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      I would bet the flop against unkown, because I think if he calls we get 2 streets for free by checking behind on turn. On the other hand if he raises our c-bet, then I think we're beaten most of the time. I also don't see him check/raising a lot on this draw heavy board as preflop aggressor...

      By the way, why not 4-bet preflop with JJ?
    • ysessa
      ysessa
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      Joined: 11.07.2008 Posts: 1,331
      co against sb easy 4bet nl400 is always aggressive enough. calling is no good option here jj flops overcards so often. his flop check looks like a trap it hits his range so hard i dont know which hands he does not cbet maybe, 99-66 but then you dont need to bet because he is drawing really thin. turn is a must call he can turn small pockets into a bluff river cb is also fine, no better hand will fold no worth call.
    • PoPoVitch
      PoPoVitch
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      Originally posted by ysessa
      turn is a must call he can turn small pockets into a bluff river cb is also fine, no better hand will fold no worth call.
      Hi what means "is a must call" can you tell with other words please :) .

      For information vilain had A5o :D
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,383
      Originally posted by PoPoVitch
      Originally posted by ysessa
      turn is a must call he can turn small pockets into a bluff river cb is also fine, no better hand will fold no worth call.
      Hi what means "is a must call" can you tell with other words please :) .

      For information vilain had A5o :D
      You prob had a read on him that he was spewy.
    • ysessa
      ysessa
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      Joined: 11.07.2008 Posts: 1,331
      Originally posted by PoPoVitch
      Originally posted by ysessa
      turn is a must call he can turn small pockets into a bluff river cb is also fine, no better hand will fold no worth call.
      Hi what means "is a must call" can you tell with other words please :) .

      For information vilain had A5o :D

      sorry for me german english^^ with must call i mean its way to weak to fold the turn and makes no sense to raise the turn.
    • IngolPoker
      IngolPoker
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      Joined: 05.09.2006 Posts: 10,467
      :heart: must call :P

      btw push pre ;)