[NL2] Missed 4bet opportunity. Correct fold?

    • zednik44
      zednik44
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.08.2017 Posts: 38
      Nothing crazy here. I really should have four bet this (and open raised larger given the limper. Just sub par pre flop play here. Still I wanted to learn a bit from this.
      My questions are :
      1) should I have four bet shove? or just four bet? if so to what size?
      2) I really feel that I ran into a boat of 5s full of fours. Was my turn bet too small?
      3) The fold feels correct...Thoughts?

      Really appreciate the help!

      $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
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      8 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter

      Stacks:
      UTG ($2.95) 148bb
      UTG+1 ($1.57) 79bb
      MP1 Hero ($1.84) 92bb
      MP2 ($2.39) 120bb
      CO ($2) 100bb
      BTN ($2) 100bb
      SB ($2.21) 111bb
      BB ($1.60) 80bb

      Pre-Flop: (0.03, 8 players) Hero is MP1 :Ad: :Ah:
      1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.05, 2 folds, BTN raises to $0.08, 1 fold, BB calls $0.06, UTG+1 calls $0.06, Hero calls $0.03

      Flop: :4d: :4s: :5c: ($0.33, 4 players)
      BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.24, 1 fold, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $0.24

      Turn: :9s: ($0.81, 2)
      UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.26, UTG+1 calls $0.26

      River: :5d: ($1.33, 2)
      UTG+1 goes all-in $0.99

      Final Pot:
      $2.32
      Hero shows
      :Ad: :Ah:

      UTG+1 wins $2.27 (net +$0.70)

      BB lost $0.08
      Hero lost $0.58
      BTN lost $0.08
  • 4 replies
    • la55i
      la55i
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      Joined: 27.01.2013 Posts: 6,890
      You are right about the sub par preflop play :) You should iso-raise bigger and ofc 4bet here. I wouldn't 4bet shove but you can 4bet quite big.
      OTR villains line looks very strong. I doubt these are bluffs very often but could he do this with JJ+ too?
      I think folding here is fine.
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
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      Joined: 12.11.2008 Posts: 32,880
      It’s interesting to know why you only called the 3bet pre-flop to play AA multi way.
      As played I would most likely bet the turn more for value. You can easy bet 40c here and river is nasty for sure. I think folding is fine. I expect a fish can have a 5 or 4 here.

      Cheers,
      SDK1987
    • TurokRider
      TurokRider
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.10.2011 Posts: 94
      You should make it 10 cents to begin with. When BTN makes that wierd tiny 3bet, you should deffo 4bet ! The pot is way too small for your AA . Get as much money in pre as possible, you have the best hand !

      Your bet OTT is, again, too small. Make it 50% at least.

      You showed weakness preflop and OTT, so I think he could shove with a range like (66+), maybe even A-high so I would call river.

      answers to questions:
      1) yes deffo ! Make it potsize 22-24BB-ish
      2) yes, your turnbet was way too small. if you had made a normal sized bet (50-60%pot) and got raised, than you can think of him having a better hand.
      3) I would have called
    • Dadramel
      Dadramel
      Silver
      Joined: 10.08.2014 Posts: 3,001
      You correctly have betted small on the turn in order to leave him something on the river but at the same time invited multiple players pre-flop by making mess