[NL2-NL10] NL50 J4s, freeplay

    • jenoc
      jenoc
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.04.2008 Posts: 510
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $9.50
      Hero:
      $8.60
      MP2:
      $11.10
      CO:
      $10.95

      0.25/0.5 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with J:heart: , 4:heart:
      3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 folds, CO calls $0.50, BU folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero checks.

      Flop: ($2.00) 5:heart: , 2:club: , 6:heart: (4 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets $2.00, CO calls $2.00, SB folds, Hero raises to $8.10 (All-In), MP2 calls $6.10, CO raises to $10.45 (All-In), MP2 calls $2.35.

      Turn: ($31.00) 8:club:
      River: ($31.00) J:spade: (3 players)


      Final Pot: $31.00

      Can I give myself 11 outs (8 for J high flush and 3 for straight)?

      First I thought to c/c if odds where good, when 2 players joined, I felt I can get it against two, so was ok to push?

      Jenoc
  • 5 replies
    • TroubleMaker23
      TroubleMaker23
      Bronze
      Joined: 23.08.2008 Posts: 113
      I think u can bet out yourself, but check/raise its ok...
      i would count 11 outs here 8+3
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      i think 11 outs is not strong enough i would rather play this passively
    • jenoc
      jenoc
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.04.2008 Posts: 510
      mbml,

      Agree that 11 outs isn't that strong, but over 2 streets it gives me 42% equity, and when I'm against two opponents needed equity lowers significantly, isn't it so? If my calculations are correct I need only 31%


      Jenoc
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      I think you can't count on all of the 11 outs here, specially not if you get called by 2 opponents...

      But if we calculate the FE and imagine opponents are capable of folding the flop after our push, this could get +EV, but in general I would play this one passively and call flop with 3:1 odds. According to the articles you should play all draws up to 12 outs passively.

      It interests me what judges have to say about this one.
    • Gerv
      Gerv
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      hi Jenoc,

      I dont think you can create FE by your push because you give them the following odds:

      $8.1$+$2+$4 :: $6.1
      =
      2.35:1
      =
      29.8% break-even equity.

      Any 2 overcards will call you and I don't want to shove it all-in right there with a check/raise with just J:h4 aka Gutshot + a FD.

      So I check/call this passively. I also dislike the Bet/Call because if you get reraised, you have to push and I don't like that with 11 outs at most

      Best regards,
      Gerv