[NL20-NL50] Nl20Fr Qq

  • 8 replies
    • csnmf
      csnmf
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      From a SH point of view (i am sure it still applies here) you have to know exactly what you are going to do if the other guy shoves it in before you put in the 4bet. I don't really think you can 4bet fold a hand like QQ otherwise you might as well be doing it with 72, if you are going to do that then you are better off just calling the 3bet in position and taking a flop.

      Might not be so useful for fullring but in SH we make the 4bet usually 2.25- 2.5 times the 3bet so in this case somewhere between 5.5-6 just to make it a bit cheaper for when we are 4-bet bluffing.
    • BogdanDin7
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      Well giving that it`s BU vs BB I think his 3-bet range is loose but after he shoved to my 4-bet and we are like 140BB I couldn`t see him on anything else but AA KK. I folded in this situation , just want to know what should I do in the future.
    • Talic
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      140-150bb is for me the upper line for shoving AK/QQ, but against someone with 6-7% 3bet I have no problems at all
    • Kaitz20
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      If you don´t want to go all-in with QQ pf, then don´t 4-bet deep.
      As played you have to call his shove.
    • Talic
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      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      If you don´t want to go all-in with QQ pf, then don´t 4-bet deep.
      As played you have to call his shove.
      thats not true, if you have like 5-10k hands on Villain you can check his 3bet/4bet range and 4bet/fold
    • Kaitz20
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      Originally posted by Talic
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      If you don´t want to go all-in with QQ pf, then don´t 4-bet deep.
      As played you have to call his shove.
      thats not true, if you have like 5-10k hands on Villain you can check his 3bet/4bet range and 4bet/fold
      If he is going all-in with AK 150bb deep then you can´t 4-bet/fold.
      And it is very hard to figure out if he is willing to go all-in at that point with AK 150bb deep.
    • Balanarm
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      Agree with hand judge, 4bet/folding QQ is complete shit if opponent never calls 4brts but folds or pushes. Kaitz, you said don't 4bet/fold QQ deep, but for normal stacks it's the same right?
    • csnmf
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      Yes it's the same, as obviously if you are not going to fold for an extra 100bb when you're 135bbs deep you are not going to fold for the extra 65bb when you are 100bb deep.

      I think lots of people make the mistake of 4 betting for value and then folding to a shove even when 100bb's deep. I have had 2 people say to me they 4 bet folded JJ to me when i just shoved over them with AK (assuming they were telling the truth of course).