[NL2] two hands: shove or call? Second: is op super strong or something else?

    • pdfbq
      Joined: 23.05.2008 Posts: 176
      First hand:

      BB is this type of player was my read: Sits down with min buy-in and is super aggro for some hands.
      Then leaves quickly again when won some (or when getting busted :D ).

      Hero (UTG): 180 BB
      MP: 108 BB (VPIP: 16.04, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 197)
      CO: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
      BTN: 101 BB (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 21.74, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
      SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.45, PFR: 12.75, 3Bet Preflop: 5.80, Hands: 152)
      BB: 42.5 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:spade: Q:club:

      Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

      Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 8:spade: 9:heart: T:club:
      BB bets 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB
      So what to do here? Jam / fold / call?

      Turn: (20.5 BB, 2 players) Q:heart:
      BB checks, Hero bets 10 BB, BB raises to 32.5 BB and is all-in

      I totally expected his jam so I called.
      Hero calls 22.5 BBBB shows 3:club: 2:heart: (High Card, Queen)
      River: (85.5 BB, 2 players) 7:spade:
      (Pre 34%, Flop 21%, Turn 5%)
      Hero shows A:spade: Q:club: (One Pair, Queens)
      (Pre 66%, Flop 79%, Turn 95%)
      Hero wins 82.5 BB

      Second hand:

      Now this hand is puzzling me. What does SB's line means?
      I read him as a really good 2NL player but what does he accomplish with that line.
      Is it a bluff? I don't think so but what do you guys think?

      SB: 157 BB (VPIP: 26.62, PFR: 15.97, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 270)
      BB: 140 BB (VPIP: 25.86, PFR: 20.69, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 59)
      UTG: 29 BB (VPIP: 63.64, PFR: 4.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
      MP: 131 BB (VPIP: 55.07, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 71)
      CO: 82 BB (VPIP: 27.63, PFR: 13.16, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 77)
      Hero (BTN): 129.5 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:spade: T:spade:

      fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4.5 BB, SB calls 4 BB, fold, MP calls 3.5 BB

      Flop: (14.5 BB, 3 players) A:heart: 4:heart: 8:diamond:
      SB bets 14 BB, fold

      SB wins 14 BB
  • 3 replies
    • SDK1987
      Joined: 12.11.2008 Posts: 35,880
      The first hand looks weird, but even the most aggressive player isn’t bluffing like this on the turn and I would just fold on a wet board like this. He can easy have a straight or 2 pair here.

      The 2nd hand his almost pot size lead looks strong, but can easy be a flush draw and I would most likely call 1 time and revaluate on further action.

    • la55i
      Joined: 27.01.2013 Posts: 7,611
      Hand 1: quite difficult to put him on a hand. He clearly is recreational and I would say he can play anything this way. There are a lot of better hands that crush you, but as you saw here it is possible for those guys to play total crap like this even though it doesn't make any sense.. Overall I think this spot happens so rarely it doesn't matter that much what you do. You could just flip a coin and decide whether to call or fold.

      Hand 2: These donks can be good hands, bad hands or draws. It looks strong but would he really donk pot with 2pair or a set instead of letting you do the betting? He must know that donking pot has huge fold equity. I would usually put him on a draw or weakish made hand here. That's just my gut feeling.
    • pdfbq
      Joined: 23.05.2008 Posts: 176
      Haha.. exactly the opposite I played. I had a read though, not his direct stats but his overall behaviour...

      Edit: this was in reply to SDK1987.