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[NL20-NL50] Nl50 13

    • Talic
      Talic
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      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      SB ($55.99)
      BB ($52.50)
      UTG ($50)
      UTG+1 ($53.50)
      CO ($65.84)
      Hero ($53.81)

      Dealt to Hero Q:heart: A:diamond:

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2, SB raises to $6, fold, Hero calls $4,

      FLOP ($12.50) 8:spade: A:spade: 8:heart:

      SB bets $7, Hero calls $7,

      TURN ($26.50) 8:spade: A:spade: 8:heart: 9:spade:

      SB bets $15, Hero folds,

      SB wins $25.18

      22/13/6.5 3bet/62 fold to c-bet/2AF/26wts

      note: limp/raised from UTG
  • 8 replies
    • aciddrop
      aciddrop
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      Limp/raise from UTG is usually a trap by a bad player, but will be AA or KK a lot. Let it go.
    • Talic
      Talic
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      Originally posted by aciddrop
      Limp/raise from UTG is usually a trap by a bad player, but will be AA or KK a lot. Let it go.
      the note means that he's "trapper", in this situation he did not c/r from UTG as you can see
    • aciddrop
      aciddrop
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      Yeah, my misread. Sorry about that.

      Another AQ hand? Well, you've called the 3bet and hit top pair. Against AA or AK you're screwed, 88 isn't too likely, so I think you have to raise this on the flop. And probably be prepared to go broke, as I can't see much reason to call with AQo otherwise.
    • Talic
      Talic
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      question to judger: playing AQ/JJ pf.

      as I learned that shoving AK/QQ pf. is profitable like in 95/100 (dead money+FE) I want to know how to play AQ and JJ preflop, its kinda more marginal, but still those hands are very strong.


      I think about something like 4bet/fold to shove witj AQ/JJ, I think I cant profitably 4bet/call with those hands
    • caltabiano
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      I don't like the idea of always 4betting folding those hands, becasue when you 4bet you invest too much of your stack and you don't get so much back.

      A 3bet will usually be $6 - $8. Let's say you 4bet to $16. You're investing $16 to make $8 ($2 from your raise and $6 from the opp's 3bet).

      He has to fold 66% of his 3betting range for you to break even.
      Let's say he'll shove QQ+, AK. His 3betting range has to be at least 7,5% for your move to be profitable.

      I think that doing this ALWAYS is not good, as your opponents will adjust to you. But you can do it from time to time to mix up your game.
      It's a good move against light 3-betters.


      About the hand, I wouldn't be too afraid of going broke here. But I would just call flop and go broke on the turn to get more money from worse A's.
      I don't think folding turn is too wrong though.
    • csnmf
      csnmf
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      If you call pre-flop you have to be willing to stack off here when you hit top pair, sometimes i just call flop and sometimes i click it back just to get him to spazz out.

      I think 4 bet folding JJ and to a lesser extent AQ are mistakes. Only 4 bet those hands if you want to get them in, if you don't then just call particuarly when you are in position. If you want to 4 bet fold do it with preferabbly raggy aces that have card removal, and other junk.
    • Talic
      Talic
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      JUDGE!

      raise flop? which worse hand can call me?
    • TribunCaesar
      TribunCaesar
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      Do you raise those flops with more then top pair? If so, raise here as well. If not, just call but shove over his turnbet. I am not folding here.


      Best regards,
      TribunCaesar