[NL25] Zoom, A8o squeeze pot, bet or check turn?

    • Dr1fter808
      Dr1fter808
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      Tablet hand, no stats.

      We can't beat 99+ but we are now ahead of all whiffed OC like AK/AQ and there is the question of draws...

      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37850675

      BTN: $30.35 (121.4 bb)
      SB: $37.71 (150.8 bb)
      Hero (BB): $25 (100 bb)
      UTG: $26.17 (104.7 bb)
      MP: $50.44 (201.8 bb)
      CO: $46.32 (185.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A:club: 8:spade:
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.62, BTN calls $0.62, SB folds, Hero raises to $3.24, CO folds, BTN calls $2.62

      Flop: ($7.20) 4:club: 2:heart: 3:heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $3, BTN calls $3

      Turn: ($13.20) 8:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $6.25
  • 9 replies
    • Titan8
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      I think you should check on the turn. In SQ pot, AK/AQ dont call second barel. You have some value against some hand (maybe 66 or FD, but still close). But still prefer check, he can have 99+. At least, you can thin bet river on good card if he checks turn. I play check/call turn and mostly check/fold river.
    • la55i
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      I would fold this pre.
      I assume BTN will call your flop bet with all of his pocket pairs and many overcards also, any that has a FD or BDFD at least.
      Squeezing pre and betting the flop doesn't seem good to me.
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
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      I don’t like to 3bet pre-flop as well against 2 unknowns out of position. You don’t want to play a big pot with A8o out of position and calling isn’t great ether when you can easy be dominated if you hit top pair.

      Cheers,
      SDK1987
    • insomnia666
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      Pre-flop I don't think this is profitable. Even KJo is better choice. With this big size you force the CO to use 4bet more often. Yes, you will have more FE, but you need more with this size.
      Call is not bad, but borderline.
      Post-flop you don't have an option to bet here. I mean as bluff. Check-call, check-fold or even check-raise. Check-raise is too optimistic. I will fold vs big bet and call vs normal.
      As played on the turn again we don't have an option for normal bet. Check-fold, check-call, shove or check-shove. Again I will fold vs big bet and call vs small.
    • Pakichu777
      Pakichu777
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      How can calling pre not do better than -100bb/100? Nits :)
    • insomnia666
      insomnia666
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      Will be very close. With time invested.
    • Pakichu777
      Pakichu777
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      Perhaps you're right, I'm not a 6-max cashgamer. But it did seem really strange to me that this would be a fold. It could be that considering rake it's closer than I first thought.

      I play Spin 'n go's, and vs a BTN minraise and a SB call at 18bb+ i do -32bb/100 flatting the open with A2o-A9o, A2s-A5s (samplesize). I mean this is CO and BTN and it's a 2.5x but it still seemed strange that you couldn't do -70 or something.

      Don't agree with the time thingie, even with the current state of poker, it's better to play as good as possible in bb/100 at micro's. Otherwise you're looking at grinding NL25 for $10/h at 4bb/100 1000 hands/h.

      Anyway, disagree as you like, but perhaps you should check out how the bottom of your range does here when flatting in this scenario. If the bottom does really well, perhaps you should add more hands.
    • insomnia666
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      Snap call vs the BTN and SB. A3-A5o are a little better, A9o also. A6-A7 are little weaker. I saw very good player, folding A5o in the same situation in a coaching session at NL25. I disagree with him, but this will be close obv. A8o is weaker.

      Otherwise you're looking at grinding NL25 for $10/h at 4bb/100 1000 hands/h
      This is not a bad results at all.

      You misunderstand me. I do like the call, but the fold also is Ok. Borderline decision. If you have a big SS, this will be very close to -100/100. Let's say -85/100 or -90/100. As I said, with time invested. Also no info for this players. Can be easy call, easy SQ or easy fold. With info...
    • Varune
      Varune
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      This is a fold Pre. you're OOP vs 2 guys that have dominating ranges vs you.

      @pakichu BTN+SB is a whole different scenario with different ranges. Also in spins your effective stack is alot smaller so high card value goes up. In other words hitting toppair no kicker is alot better in spins than it is in cashgames.