[NL2] Downswing disaster tilting like hell. But is my play that bad?

    • pdfbq
      pdfbq
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      Joined: 23.05.2008 Posts: 143
      I'm at a terrible downswing.
      Now in about 13K hands from 0 to 8 buyins below All-In-Adj :censored: ...
      Now I really don't know who stays happy and on his 100% A game here.



      Below my three losing hands of today. Then I gave up.
      Of course I knew I was beat by KT but that was about the ONLY combo that would beat me.
      The reason for calling there was to trap right? Or am I totally tilting and should I have folded?

      I'm so :censored: fed up with it.
      So am I playing that bad here??? Hero fold my top2 for 50 ct???? Would that be the correct play??
      Fold a set of QQ cuz KT would make a strait?
      I'm lost.

      PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (SB): 100.5 BB
      BB: 127.5 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 9.94, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 166)
      UTG: 148.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 29)
      CO: 167.5 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 29.49, 3Bet Preflop: 23.08, Hands: 83)
      BTN: 107 BB (VPIP: 21.94, PFR: 17.78, 3Bet Preflop: 7.38, Hands: 373)

      Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:spade: Q:club:

      UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, fold

      Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) Q:diamond: 3:club: J:spade:
      Hero checks, UTG bets 5.5 BB, Hero calls 5.5 BB

      Turn: (18 BB, 2 players) A:spade:
      Hero checks, UTG bets 13.5 BB, Hero raises to 36 BB, UTG raises to 81.5 BB, Hero raises to 92 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 10.5 BB

      River: (202 BB, 2 players) 4:diamond:

      Hero shows Q:spade: Q:club: (Three of a Kind, Queens)
      (Pre 67%, Flop 72%, Turn 23%)
      UTG shows T:diamond: K:diamond: (Straight, Ace High)
      (Pre 33%, Flop 28%, Turn 77%)
      UTG wins 195 BB


      PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (SB): 104.5 BB
      BB: 108 BB (VPIP: 21.25, PFR: 17.25, 3Bet Preflop: 6.57, Hands: 415)
      UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
      CO: 145 BB (VPIP: 21.70, PFR: 16.35, 3Bet Preflop: 2.00, Hands: 326)
      BTN: 152.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 15)

      Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:club: A:diamond:

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

      Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 5:diamond: A:spade: 9:spade:
      Hero bets 4 BB, BB calls 4 BB

      Turn: (14 BB, 2 players) K:spade:
      Hero bets 7 BB, BB calls 7 BB

      River: (28 BB, 2 players) 9:club:
      Hero bets 13.5 BB, BB raises to 39.5 BB, Hero calls 26 BB

      BB shows T:spade: 9:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Nines)
      (Pre 37%, Flop 23%, Turn 25%)
      Hero mucks K:club: A:diamond: (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
      (Pre 63%, Flop 77%, Turn 75%)
      BB wins 103.5 BB


      PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      UTG: 99 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
      MP: 127.5 BB (VPIP: 12.68, PFR: 12.68, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 71)
      CO: 78 BB (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
      BTN: 364.5 BB (VPIP: 3.23, PFR: 3.23, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
      SB: 25 BB (VPIP: 46.67, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
      Hero (BB): 100 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9:heart: 5:heart:

      fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero checks

      Flop: (3 BB, 3 players) 5:diamond: 9:diamond: Q:heart:
      SB checks, Hero bets 1.5 BB, CO calls 1.5 BB, SB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 7.5 BB, fold

      Turn: (22.5 BB, 2 players) A:spade:
      SB checks, Hero bets 11 BB, SB raises to 15 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 4 BB

      River: (52.5 BB, 2 players) A:diamond:

      SB shows T:heart: Q:diamond: (Two Pair, Aces and Queens)
      (Pre 65%, Flop 32%, Turn 18%)
      Hero shows 9:heart: 5:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Nines)
      (Pre 35%, Flop 68%, Turn 82%)
      SB wins 50.5 BB
  • 11 replies
    • la55i
      la55i
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      Joined: 27.01.2013 Posts: 7,138
      All good here.
      Only thing you could MAYBE play differently is AK fold vs that river raise. Any 9x beats you and flush got there. That would be because river raises are "always" nuts....

      We have both had bad poker days today apparently :f_biggrin: But that happens, let's forget the losses and go crush the recreationals :f_thumbsup:
    • pdfbq
      pdfbq
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      Joined: 23.05.2008 Posts: 143
      Tnx man!
    • pdfbq
      pdfbq
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      Joined: 23.05.2008 Posts: 143
      OK, by now a total donwswing of about ~13.5 buyins.



      Today I was about 0.75 buyin up but hey ... we can't have that right?

      Question: Should I have check folded there? I do not think so but maybe I'm wrong.
      Jamming the turn? Of course in hindsight would be better but he payed 28.5 BB to max win 59.5.

      Anyways... When I'm 20 buyins down I quit. That is my decision.

      PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 43.75, PFR: 31.25, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 16)
      Hero (SB): 115.5 BB
      BB: 105.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 18)
      UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.14, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 5.71, Hands: 432)
      MP: 210.5 BB (VPIP: 38.75, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 82)
      CO: 106 BB (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)

      Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3:spade: 3:club:

      fold, MP raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, fold

      Flop: (10 BB, 3 players) 6:heart: 3:diamond: A:club:
      Hero checks, MP bets 7 BB, fold, Hero calls 7 BB

      Turn: (24 BB, 2 players) J:heart:
      Hero checks, MP bets 17.5 BB, Hero raises to 46 BB, MP calls 28.5 BB

      River: (116 BB, 2 players) 8:heart:
      Hero bets 56 BB, MP raises to 112 BB, Hero calls 3.5 BB and is all-in

      MP shows T:heart: 9:heart: (Flush, Jack High)
      (Pre 53%, Flop 4%, Turn 16%)
      Hero shows 3:spade: 3:club: (Three of a Kind, Threes)
      (Pre 47%, Flop 96%, Turn 84%)
      MP wins 227 BB


      edit: Fixed small typo. can -> can't
    • la55i
      la55i
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      There is my NL25 graph. I hope it makes you feel a bit better :) This week has been horrible. I have had similar run than you. I know it sucks..

      But this hand here, nothing you can do. Before I looked at the spoiler I thought that god damn if the guy hits some kind of stupid backdoor flush it sucks.. But he can have AK,AJ,A6 etc... You have about half pot behind.. I would say you can't do anything here.
    • pdfbq
      pdfbq
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      Joined: 23.05.2008 Posts: 143
      I forgot you were Finnish, that absolutely not understandable language ( maanantai toukokuuta... right :D ).

      Yay.. you're 8 buyins down.. That's brutal man... that's brutal.
    • Jordyvde
      Jordyvde
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      Joined: 03.05.2015 Posts: 1,489
      Hands are played fine I guess, AK I'm folding to river x/r and QQ I'm 3betting pre. Fwiw, your current downswing is nothing compared to what you can expect.
    • RubyWesson
      RubyWesson
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      Joined: 15.08.2010 Posts: 374
      people get too hung up on that ev line
    • arthurbentley
      arthurbentley
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      Joined: 12.10.2010 Posts: 255
      I once lost 25 buyins in around 15k hands on Pokerstars which left me convinced the site is rigged. I also lost 8 buyins after just 300 hands played on a short handed table that included three maniacs. I got my money in ahead every time and disaster struck in favour of the lagtards. I've had several 20+ buyin swings since I started playing cash but overall I am way ahead. So don't despair because even with a solid winrate you can go on 20+ buyin losing streaks if you play long enough.

      If you are mainly losing to runner runner suckouts on the river or as all-in pre-flop fav than you are just experiencing bad luck and are playing winning poker long term.
    • halunoman
      halunoman
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      Joined: 23.10.2010 Posts: 823
      8 BI below EV? How about 150 BI below... Check this out:



      ps: fortunately it's not my graph :)
    • Jordyvde
      Jordyvde
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      Originally posted by halunoman
      8 BI below EV? How about 150 BI below... Check this out:



      ps: fortunately it's not my graph :)
      Stop stealing my pics :s_evil:
    • Bakerrr
      Bakerrr
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      Joined: 20.10.2017 Posts: 7
      All relative, my last week was 16000 hands where I was:

      1.45 bb/100
      19.01 EV bb/100

      Decided to sit out next BB at all tables and call it quits, in the last 15 hands I lost AA vs KK, QQ vs 55, AA vs 75o and AKo vs AJo, three of those all in pre, 75o opponent shoved all in on Q86 flop, 700BB gone like that.

      Something like 30 buyins below EV in a week.