[NL2] turning trips top kicker 3way after checked flop, villain donks

    • briccius
      briccius
      Silver
      Joined: 26.06.2007 Posts: 358
      PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 156 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
      SB: 102.5 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
      BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
      UTG: 134.5 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 12.96, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 58)
      Hero (MP): 449 BB
      CO: 235 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:diamond: Q:heart:

      fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

      Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) Q:club: 2:diamond: K:club:
      BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

      Turn: (9.5 BB, 3 players) Q:spade:
      BB bets 5.5 BB, Hero calls 5.5 BB, fold

      River: (20.5 BB, 2 players) 5:diamond:
      BB bets 9 BB, Hero raises to 35 BB, BB calls 26 BB

      Hero shows A:diamond: Q:heart: (Three of a Kind, Queens)
      (Pre 70%, Flop 83%, Turn 86%)
      BB mucks Q:diamond: T:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Queens)
      (Pre 30%, Flop 17%, Turn 14%)
      Hero wins 87.5 BB


      Would you cbet flop 3-way or not? Please give reasons.

      The turn should be a raise, I think, especially 3-way. What sizing would you pick?

      I think I did not raise because I did not want to scare away Kx and wanted him to bet river again. But it seems a little too risky, with a couple of draws out there (especially FDs and JT) plus one player behind. Also we get value from the occasional Qx. So upon reconsidering it, I think a raise is clearly better.

      If it were HU, I think a case could be made for just calling, as he has way more Kx hands than Qx hands. And he might bet them again on many rivers, but fold them to a raise.
  • 4 replies
    • la55i
      la55i
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      Joined: 27.01.2013 Posts: 7,171
      I would cbet the flop multiway.

      Your hand can very well be the best here. Multiway there is a bigger chance that everyone checks and we don't necessarily want to give free cards to 2 villains. So we can bet for value and to deny villains realizing their equity cheaply.
    • briccius
      briccius
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      Joined: 26.06.2007 Posts: 358
      Thanks for your thoughts.
    • insomnia666
      insomnia666
      Gold
      Joined: 31.07.2010 Posts: 2,419
      I will bet 50% OTF. What reasons? The interesting part just starts. We have a middle pair vs two players on drawy board. So exciting.
      As played:
      OTT 14bb raise.
      OTR 24b bb raise.
    • Bakerrr
      Bakerrr
      Silver
      Joined: 20.10.2017 Posts: 7
      Very surprised by the suggestions to Cbet this flop multiway, I never cbet middle pair on any board unless I connect with the board in some other way or with a read or absolute position, maybe that's why my cbet is at <45%... I barely bet middle/inside pair on a static board, shouldn't we be even less incentivised to bet them on dynamic boards??

      I play it the same way you do, perhaps some percentage of the time I raise the turn if villains lead is very fast, which may get me thinking he was already mentally prepared to lead Kx or straight draw on most turns.