Deep stack QQxx facing 3bet OOP vs regular PLO025

    • martijnde666
      martijnde666
      Platinum
      Joined: 29.02.2008 Posts: 4,573
      Do I call 3bets with this kinds of hands (TTxx, JJxx, QQxx & KKxx) OOP to setmine VS regular players (24/15/10)?

      [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (SB): $36.44 (145.8 bb)
      BB: $44.17 (176.7 bb)
      UTG: $34.86 (139.4 bb)
      MP: $99.19 (396.8 bb)
      CO: $18.84 (75.4 bb)
      BTN: $12.62 (50.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 2:club: Q:diamond: J:heart: Q:spade:
      4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB raises to $2.25, Hero calls $1.50

      Flop: ($4.50) Q:club: 2:spade: T:heart: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $3.23, Hero raises to $14, BB raises to $41.92 and is all-in, Hero calls $20.19 and is all-in

      Turn: ($72.88) 4:club: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($72.88) 4:heart: (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Results: $72.88 pot ($2.00 rake)
      Final Board: Q:club: 2:spade: T:heart: 4:club: 4:heart:
      Hero showed 2:club: Q:diamond: J:heart: Q:spade: and won $70.88 ($34.44 net)
      BB showed 6:spade: A:club: J:club: K:spade: and won $0.00 (-$36.44 net)
      [/hand_history][/converted_hand]
  • 4 replies
    • SeagalSteven
      SeagalSteven
      Silver
      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 805
      No, this is very trashy hand. You need to hit your set to have anything of value, and even then you get either folds or coinflips rather than his stack with overwhelming equity. Like here opponent has 42% with his ace high when you managed to flop top set on rainbow board.

      But there is different kind of TT, QQ and KK. Make those sidecards more connected, add a flushdraw or two and you have whole lotta more options to continue.
    • Kyyberi
      Kyyberi
      Coach
      Coach
      Joined: 09.07.2010 Posts: 10,913
      Yeah. In general I would fold those trashy pairs, but some people don't fold anything while IP. It's also opponent dependable, the more you can win pots without showdown, the more trashier hands you can play. But as in 3bet pots the SPR is usually 3,5-4 there isn't a lot of room to make moves unless the opponent is really bad.

      Your QQ is rainbow trash. If it was QQJTds it would be a snap call. As you can see, there are different types of QQxx hands.

      If we open 50% from the BTN and are happy to fold all paired rainbow hands, we would be folding just 3% of our range. So if you want some rule of thumbs, fold paired or uncoordinated hands that are rainbow to 3bets.
    • martijnde666
      martijnde666
      Platinum
      Joined: 29.02.2008 Posts: 4,573
      Thanks for the great response SeagalSteven and Kyyberi, I will keep this in mind for future spots
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
      Moderator
      Moderator
      Joined: 12.11.2008 Posts: 34,040
      I have moved the hand in out hand discussion board, because it’s fits better. On the mom, better late then never.

      Cheers,
      SDK1987