[NL25] Zoom, A8o, 3bet pre, river decision

    • Dr1fter808
      Dr1fter808
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      The villain is BTN Steal 46% AF 3.9

      Thoughts?

      PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BTN): 100 BB
      SB: 80.56 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
      BB: 36.6 BB (VPIP: 23.44, PFR: 4.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 66)
      UTG: 173.32 BB (VPIP: 27.20, PFR: 22.70, 3Bet Preflop: 8.29, Hands: 545)
      MP: 52.32 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
      CO: 123.36 BB (VPIP: 23.21, PFR: 18.32, 3Bet Preflop: 9.50, Hands: 415)

      SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8:spade: A:diamond:

      fold, fold, CO raises to 2.8 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6.2 BB

      Flop: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 9:diamond: 4:diamond: 8:club:
      CO checks, Hero bets 8.32 BB, CO raises to 22 BB, Hero calls 13.68 BB

      Turn: (63.4 BB, 2 players) 4:heart:
      CO checks, Hero checks

      River: (63.4 BB, 2 players) 6:heart:
      CO bets 30.28 BB
  • 7 replies
    • Varune
      Varune
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      A) This hand is shit to 3bet.
      B) Villain isn't sitting on the button so BTN steal is a semi-useless stat, some people drop ALOT from co-bu.

      Esp since the villain seems aggro postflop with his 3.9AF i wouldn't mingle with him with a crappy hand. It's like bringing a stick to a gunfight.
    • Dr1fter808
      Dr1fter808
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      What Ax or Kx do you 3bet on SB vs BTN? Do you ever 3bet hands with blockers?
    • Varune
      Varune
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      You know this spot you posted is BTN vs CO? ;)

      But SB-BTN i would generally 3b suited wheel aces A2-5s as they have more potential when called. And something like K9s-6s for the kings as they don't have wheel draws :) Blockers are in fact an important factor for my 3betting range, but 3betting random Ax hands makes your ranges too wide.

      For example: in the spot above, what do you do with ATo and A9o?
    • Dr1fter808
      Dr1fter808
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      Oh dang, my bad... Yeah I call with ATo. It's good enough to call, I think. Yeah, against CO this is too loose.
    • pahismail
      pahismail
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      Sometimes is it about faith too. The flop says "second best".

      - Juha
    • LemOn36
      LemOn36
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      I'm going to ignore preflop as a lot has been said
      The flop part seems really interesting
      I think if you don't plan on barreling you're better off just checking back

      However you don't often have a hand like this in your range, you block the 88 89 and can bet bet shove diamond cards + some overs, go bet check and win in showdown some - if that was your plan you can bet and now it seems like it's whatever, call or fold seem close to me.

      If you don't plan to turn it into a bluff on later streets since at NL25 you don't have to bother just check back the flop and call twice on this board
    • LemOn36
      LemOn36
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      We'll for sure to get into fun spots like this this Tuesday where I let chat decide what hands we play so come check it out - see my sig :]
      Just because you make a mistake preflop doesn't mean you can't learn from the postflop play