[NL2-NL10] NL100, QJo, freeplay

    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $106,10
      Hero:
      $19,50
      MP1:
      $102,75
      MP2:
      $47,50
      MP3:
      $26,00
      CO:
      $130,55
      BU:
      $90,90

      0,5/1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with Q:diamond: , J:spade:
      UTG2 folds, MP1 calls $1,00, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $1,00, CO calls $1,00, BU calls $1,00, SB calls $0,50, Hero checks.

      Flop: ($6,00) 3:diamond: , J:heart: , 3:club: (6 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $4,00, 2 folds, CO raises to $8,00, 2 folds, Hero raises to $18,50 (All-In), CO calls $10,50.

      Turn: ($43,00) 4:diamond:
      River: ($43,00) 4:spade: (1 players)


      Final Pot: $43,00

      ...very dry flop, so now that I analize this hand I think I should have folded because I don't see villain folding if I push and his W$@SD is pretty high. Maybe going broke against a loosing player would be fine on the other hand...
  • 11 replies
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Hey burek2000,

      No particular opinion on the hand, except that I agree with you that a fold here seems like the best move.

      However, what do you mean when you say "loosing player"? Which one of the stats tells you this, please?

      Thanks,

      Tim
    • drachdudek
      drachdudek
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.11.2007 Posts: 656
      c-bet is fine, but after his raise i think you were beaten, so i think fold is the best option...
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      @ Tim64: With "loosing player" I mean a player who is losing money at showdowns, W$@SD means how many % of his showdowns he won, and since this stat is 64, he won 14% more than half of all showdowns, which is indicating he's usually going to showdown with the best hand. For example, fish always have W$@SD below 50%(after decent sample size of course).

      @ drachdudek: At the time of the hand I was thinking that actually not many hands from his range beat me in this place. He will prolly raise AJ preflop, maybe even KJ, so, there was only possibility he has a 3, so I thought he would prolly limp low PP, but him holding 33... ...not very likely with 3 being on board. So, presuming he's a decent player(I found him to be quite a regular) I decided to push, because I was really confused about wth he has. He showed 3 :spade: 5 :spade: .

      @ judges: I apologize for posting what he had, but since people discussing NL100+ can keep their objectivity imo, I think it's ok.... :rolleyes:
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Ok, many thanks for that.

      Tim
    • Gerv
      Gerv
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      I either take the lead with PotBet and go broke with TP-Qkicker

      or

      I check/call and take the lead on the Turn to get more potential dead money on the Turn.

      Max? Alexander?
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      I was deciding between leading out and c/cing, but except MP1, none of villains have AF higher than 2, so I didn't want to count on them betting into 6 way pot. So, I took the lead and normally I would bet PS, but the pot was already so big, I had 18.5BB left and board was really dry, so I decided 2/3 is more than enough here. I can still get it all-in easily on the turn in case I get called.
    • ysessa
      ysessa
      Basic
      Joined: 11.07.2008 Posts: 1,331
      after cos minraise you are beat nearly 100% of the time i dont think he will minraise worth jacks here i would simply fold. what about pushing preflop? so much deadmoney late limpers against pocket flip i jam..
    • burek2000
      burek2000
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      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      I agree pushing preflop might be best option here, but I usually like somewhat stronger hands for such moves, I could get called with Ax as well...
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      You would be flipping as well :) PP vs QJ = 50/50, Ax vs QJ = 50/50

      In both cases you are screwed if PP hits Trips or Ax hits an Ace ;)


      What does Villain represent here Ysessa? KJ,AJ,3x,QQ+??
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Originally posted by Gerv
      You would be flipping as well :) PP vs QJ = 50/50, Ax vs QJ = 50/50

      In both cases you are screwed if PP hits Trips or Ax hits an Ace ;)
      You're right, Ax has only slightly better equity against QJ than PP. Thought it was bigger difference. ?(

      ...gotta learn something new every day ^^



      Originally posted by Gerv
      What does Villain represent here Ysessa? KJ,AJ,3x,QQ+??
      That's exactly what I was thinking on my turn facing minraise...

      ...I put him off QQ+/AJ, maybe even KJ since he was pretty decent regular player, so I played a little showdown monkey here. :)
    • ysessa
      ysessa
      Basic
      Joined: 11.07.2008 Posts: 1,331
      i think most of the times its 3x but i dont like his raise at all, it makes not much sense with any kind of hand.. with a 3x hand you dont have to protect same for aj with this minraise he gives you a chance to drop worth jx