[NL2-NL10] Nl25 88 OR and re-steal.

  • 5 replies
    • burek2000
      burek2000
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      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      88 is in resteal range, so going broke against a resteal should be fine, but folding against unknown also isn't a mistake, specially, because people on lower limits usually don't steal/resteal and specially not from CO.

      In general, I would fold this one, because you can get enough value out of your strong hands, so you can stay away from marginal situations and high variance, what actually this hand is.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      i agree with burek. low limit players don't really bother about stealing and restealing so much. so if i see that they have a high foldtoBB%, i would steal the crap out of them without any fear of having a loose image later on.
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Originally posted by burek2000
      88 is in resteal range, so going broke against a resteal should be fine.
      I bluntly disagree with this approach/way of thinking
      1) Opponent do not have a complete picture of your ATS/ORL thus he can resteal differently based on your stats while you think ''Oh I got ATS 25 so I can call all hands from ATo+,A8s+,KQs+,77+'' No way:

      664,373,952 games 0.921 secs 721,361,511 games/sec

      Board:
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 60.883% 55.24% 05.64% 367027368 37462668.00 { 77+, A8s+, KQs, ATo+ }
      Hand 1: 39.117% 33.48% 05.64% 222421248 37462668.00 { ATs }

      2,657,495,808 games 3.078 secs 863,383,953 games/sec

      Board:
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 57.158% 51.33% 05.83% 1364064912 154909196.00 { 77+, A8s+, KQs, ATo+ }
      Hand 1: 42.842% 37.01% 05.83% 983612504 154909196.00 { AJs, AJo }

      1,140,394,464 games 1.172 secs 973,032,819 games/sec

      Board:
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 46.187% 45.49% 00.70% 518757576 7958274.00 { 77+, A8s+, KQs, ATo+ }
      Hand 1: 53.813% 53.11% 00.70% 605720340 7958274.00 { TT }

      1,616,414,976 games 1.953 secs 827,657,437 games/sec

      Board:
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 63.368% 61.85% 01.58% 999787757 25581405.00 { 77+, A8s+, KQs, ATo+ }
      Hand 1: 36.632% 35.09% 01.58% 567176713 25581405.00 { KQs, KQo }

      Generally you need around 43% break-even equity in a BvB because with a 20bb stack. SB raises 3bb fi -> BB resteals so:
      Pot 20+3bb x0.95 (Rake) :: 17
      21.85:17
      1.285:1
      = 43.7%

      As you see the stove results, only PP have a significant equity against the resteal range but who says that's a realistic range? Even AJs is -EV against this loose range


      My suggestion is to always calculate equity if you are doubting whether to call a resteal or not and compare it with the designated equity against a range.

      As played, 88+ is a solid call against an Unknown but I really like to see stats for these kind of hands

      - Gerv
    • burek2000
      burek2000
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      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      In the articles steals/resteals is mentioned as a rule of thumb to go broke against a resteal when you have a hand from that resteal range. So, presuming we multitable and 2 tables are beeping + villain is unknown(hero didn't post stats) I think going broke would be fine.

      However I agree if we have stats and we analize the hand, it's better to make fine calculations. ^^

      On the other hand, I already said in my first post, why I think fold is better on those limits. People just don't steal/resteal enough and it's better to wait for a better opportunity.
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      I had a discussion with Ysessa about it although I didnt made use of it because I thought at first that calling a resteal with a range what is 1 level higher than the resteal range.

      So eg. my ATS I 20 and villain resteals with AT+,77+ , I autocall with AJ+,88+ but even that has serious consequences to your bankroll :)