A Career in Poker

    • rhinoneil
      rhinoneil
      Gold
      Joined: 16.04.2008 Posts: 1,159
      I began playing poker 5 years ago.
      Anyone who has read my previous blog about Poker Million will know that I have had successes and failures. Twice appeared on Ladbrokes Poker Million, biggest cash win of $11,000 (mtt) and vaious other wins and cashes in mtts and stts.
      I have never won at cash tables, sure I have had winning days, even weeks but I cannot say that I am a winning cash game player.
      Anyway, the purpose of this blog:
      I want to follow a career in poker.
      My first choice would be as a full time poker player, but I dont make enough profit currently to sustain that.
      I will keep trying anyway.
      In the meantime, my love of the game has lead me to conclude that the future for me must involve poker in some way, whether that is writing about it or in some way working for a poker platform, magazine or online poker resource, maybe in a sales or marketing role.
      This blog is intended to catalogue my attempts to a) decide what I want to do and b) go about finding a job.
      Some background about me so that you can understand the seriousness of this:
      I am 45 - I know its old, married with a daughter who is 5 in March. My wife works but her earnings alone would not sustain our lifestyle.
      I am a director and shareholder of a recruitment business in UK. My forte is business development / sales. Whilst things are OK here, we have been hit by the recession like most similar businesses and I have certainly noticed a downturn in profits.
      Since starting to play poker, my dream has been to be involved in it on a full time basis.
      If I dont do something about it now, I never will, so wish me luck!
      I guess the blog will have two aspects, my online poker successes or failures whilst I strive to play professionally and my search for an alternative poker career.
      I will try to keep it interesting and not boring.
  • 26 replies
    • ukwagon
      ukwagon
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.09.2008 Posts: 537
      Good luck to finding your way and I also look forward to reading what it will be  :)
    • LuborC
      LuborC
      Bronze
      Joined: 20.04.2008 Posts: 1,243
      Wow 11K cach is awesome! I didn't know you were such a great tourney player. I mean I knew you were good but 11K is a lot of money... Good thing we're on the same team.. :)
      Anyway, I wish you the best of luck with finding your dream job and everything..

      Lubor
    • rhinoneil
      rhinoneil
      Gold
      Joined: 16.04.2008 Posts: 1,159
      OK update.
      I am giving serious consideration to jacking my job altogether.
      Sharpens the mind when you HAVE to do something rather than want to.
      I have applied for a sales job with Full Tilt Poker, its based in Dublin so would have to relocate.
      I have also made enquiries right here at Poker Strategy, will see if anything develops.
      I am also thinking about the possibility of combining my two careers - recruitment and poker. There are only a few recruitment consultancies that specialise in gambling staff and none that deals exclusively with poker jobs.
      I think there is a market there. Most of the gambling related positions that are resourced through agencies are either I.T. or sales and marketing related. I have experience of recruiting for these type of staff, just not within the online gambling sector.
      The other benefits of this is that I dont need to relocate as I could literally run that from home if necessary and it also would allow me time to carry on playing poker, hmm I will have to investigate this further.
      As far as playing is concerned, I didnt play much last night. I won one 6 seater stt, actually I obliterated the opposition in that, and went out on bubble in a 10 seater. I think that I am an excellent 6 seater player, I would happily play against anyone in the world in this format and be confident of winning. My heads up game still needs some improvement to fix a couple of leaks though. I have a tendency to over value some hands, I dont c-bet enough and I call raises too easily. I also played a 30 seater 5 card draw quick blinds mtt and came 4th, in the money though only doubled my entry fee. First time I have played 5 card online though I have played it live before with friends.
    • TheBu11d0g
      TheBu11d0g
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.07.2008 Posts: 2,019
      Hey rhinoneil,

      I will look forward to keeping up to date with this blog as it will be a very interesting blog to follow.

      I wish you the best of luck on your poker journey, whichever form it may take.

      Regards,
      -Steve
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,402
      Hey Rhin,

      What do your wife and daughter think about the whole 'career in poker' thing? I imagine it is not an easy sell?

      Anyway, best of luck with it all - at least you're trying to do something in tough times and not just moaning about it...

      Do be careful though, before giving up your job. I would be tempted to hang on until I was pretty close to 100% sure I could make a go of it. You're right that having to do something is a strong motivator. But always remember that in poker you have to be able to be dispassionate. If you know you have to make a certain amount per day, or are playing with the family food budget, it might be just that bit harder to make the right +ev decision.

      Sorry - that wasn't intended to sound patronising; but I just would hate anyone to make a decision affecting their family which they came to regret.

      Cheers,
      Tim
    • rhinoneil
      rhinoneil
      Gold
      Joined: 16.04.2008 Posts: 1,159
      Hi Tim
      thanks for your comments.

      To be honest, the only reason I havent already given up work and become a full time pro is that I would never gamble with family budget.

      Obviously my first choice would be to become a pro, but at the moment I dont have sufficient bankroll to sustain it. The annoying thing is that I have previously had the bankroll but didnt think I was good enough to turn pro and used the money for other things, typical!

      The reason I am thinking about leaving now is that business is not great anyway, we are in a recession after all. If it gets to the stage that my income reduces I will have no hesitation in quitting.

      As regards my wife, that is another matter entirely.

      She is anti gambling. Luckily she can see that poker for me is not gambling per se, not like blackjack or roulette. She would prefer I get a "proper job" in poker, like a writer or in sales rather than being a full time pro but she is nevertheless supportive.

      As far as going pro is concerned, I have applied to badbeat today to become a trader. I had a go as a trainee trader 2 years ago but at the time cash games were new to me and badbeat only sponsered cash not stts at the time and also insisted on a minimum number of hours which I couldnt manage because of work commitments.

      Badbeat have a defined process to become a trader but I am hoping to dodge that. If they wont allow me to go straight in based on my results - I have played against their traders many times and they know about my poker million games - I will go through the process which takes about 2 - 3 months.
    • rhinoneil
      rhinoneil
      Gold
      Joined: 16.04.2008 Posts: 1,159
      Thanks bulldog,
      Cant dodge the process, gotta do the whole thing with badbeat.

      By the way, can anyone please help with editing my signature. I am trying to get it to link to my blogs but being the old git I am I cant work it out as you can see.
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
      Black
      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      Originally posted by rhinoneil
      I think that I am an excellent 6 seater player, I would happily play against anyone in the world in this format and be confident of winning.
      wtf? that's pretty sick.
    • TheBu11d0g
      TheBu11d0g
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.07.2008 Posts: 2,019
      rhinoneil when you go to edit your signature make sure that BBcode is allowed. If it isn't you can check a box to allow it in the options meny.

      Hope this helps.

      Regards,
      -Steve
    • rhinoneil
      rhinoneil
      Gold
      Joined: 16.04.2008 Posts: 1,159
      Thanks Steve,hopefully this works now.
    • rhinoneil
      rhinoneil
      Gold
      Joined: 16.04.2008 Posts: 1,159
      OK, bet365 have asked to see my CV, so that is positive.
      I sent them a general email yesterday giving brief details of my background etc, so not sure what positions they have available but will wait to see what they say.

      Badbeat say I have to follow the normal route to become a trader, so I have to decide whether I am going to go down the cash route or stt. My feelings are that I should stick with stt to prove myself.

      I have to open an account at grandslampoker, play at least 100 stts at $5 min buy in within 28 days and show a profit. I am more confident of making profit in stts than playing 6000 hands cash at $0.05/$0.10. At that level the variance is too high.

      Before I register I am going to try a test run at Ladbrokes, which is where I play most of my poker. Starting tonight I will play 100 stts at $5 and see how I do. I will play max 2 tables and most of the time probably just 1 so I can stay focussed. Will keep you posted.
    • rhinoneil
      rhinoneil
      Gold
      Joined: 16.04.2008 Posts: 1,159
      Started my 100 stts tonight.
      Won 1st, 6 seater $5, top 2 paid.
      Came 4th in next, all in with pp v AQ, villain river str8.
      3rd I still cant get my head around.

      Got done for half my chips early when villain hit runner runner flush, luckily he was short anyway, so I was down to 1275 with blinds 50/100 with 5 ante.

      I pick up AKo UTG and shoved - no way am I laying down post flop and I want to double up and actually hoping for a call.

      Imagine my surprise at what followed.

      What is this guy thinking?

      I can only assume it was a miss click.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      5 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG Hero (1275)
      CO jjoobb (5365)
      BTN Svettgurka (1355)
      SB dba82 (1810)
      BB JackieBoy007 (2195)

      Blinds: 50/100 Ante 5

      Pre-flop: (175, 5 players) Hero is UTG K:spade: A:diamond:
      Hero goes all-in 1,270, 1 fold, Svettgurka goes all-in 1,350, 2 folds

      Flop: 2:club: 6:diamond: 9:club: (2,795, 2 players)

      Turn: 2:spade: (2,795, 2 players)

      River: 3:heart: (2,795, 2 players)

      Final Pot: 2,795
      Svettgurka shows: 4:diamond: 9:spade:

      Svettgurka wins 2,715 ( won +1,365 )
      Hero lost -1,270
    • p0kerQT
      p0kerQT
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.03.2008 Posts: 1,300
      Rigged obv. Well wish you the best of luck in your poker career, i'm sure you can succeed :)
    • jotap27
      jotap27
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.03.2007 Posts: 107
      Hi rhinoneil,

      As others have mentioned, dont quit your job before being really sure that you can live from poker.

      And be very carefull with you bankroll management. For a pro, going broke also means being fired and going unemployed.

      Regards
      JotaP
    • rhinoneil
      rhinoneil
      Gold
      Joined: 16.04.2008 Posts: 1,159
      No news to report sadly.
      Heard nothing on job front.
      Havent played much poker over last few days apart from BOTD.
      Ended up finishing 1200th and out of the money, running AKh into KK and not improving.
      I had been doing quite well up to 2nd break until I managed to bluff off a third of my stack on an all club flop in BB to a limper who wouldnt put down tptk with no club.
      I must learn not to fire that third barrel into someone who cant lay down.
      Actually had him on Ac Koff especially when he called check raise on flop and pot bet on turn and was hoping he would let it go with no club on river but on reflection perhaps the flop raise looked weak.
    • rhinoneil
      rhinoneil
      Gold
      Joined: 16.04.2008 Posts: 1,159
      [Edited by SoyCD due to Board Rule Reasons: Rule No. 3]

      Anyway, absolutely no progression on the job hunting front.

      I have got myself a little sidetracked from my experiment on Ladbrokes of playing 100 stts in 28 days and showing profit.

      Having read about boku87's challenge and watching him play, I have been trying out the multi-tabling approach.

      I normally dont multi-table, usually playing max 2 tables. I base many of my decisions on reads, player notes, betting patterns etc, and I find that very hard to do with more than 2 tables open. If I am playing an important game, a qualifier or BOTD for instance, I only ever have just the one table open.

      I have experimented a little playing 4 tables on Stars, 18 and 45 player, $1 and $3. I have actually found that ok as I can fit 4 tables on my laptop and see them all at the same time. Even so, I have had to pretty much play abc tournament poker, very tight early on then loosening up the longer the game goes and just throwing in a few marginal plays now and again. I played 20 games in total. Whilst I have not made a huge profit, I am adjusting to the style of play. I have not done very well at $3 level, in fact have done terribly, have to leave that for a while until I am used to the whole multi tabling thing.

      Overall I am $9.60 in profit for the 20 games. However I am $16.70 down on $3 level and $26.30 up on $1 level. Obviously not ready to move up to $3 multi tabling just yet.
    • rhinoneil
      rhinoneil
      Gold
      Joined: 16.04.2008 Posts: 1,159
      I figure that to play poker professionally I need to make $100 a day in addition to building bankroll. This would be enough to cover me whilst I grow the bankroll to play at higher limits.

      So I am experimenting with low limit multi-tabling sngs on Stars so I can decide which route is likely to be more profitable and least risky.

      Anyway last night I played 4 SNG single tables (multi tabling 4 at a time) and 4 SNG multi tables ( 2 x 45, 1 x 27, 1 x 18).

      With a profit overall of $10.20 I have a way to go yet!



      PokerStars Tournament #146950542, No Limit Hold'em
      Buy-In: $5.00/$0.50
      9 players
      Total Prize Pool: $45.00
      Tournament started 2009/03/10 22:56:28 WET [2009/03/10 18:56:28 ET]
      Tournament finished 2009/03/11 0:10:40 WET [2009/03/10 20:10:40 ET]
      1: techboy (North Attleboro), $22.50 (50%)
      2: barneyinky (Simpsonville), $13.50 (30%)
      3: sharki84 (Bloomington), $9.00 (20%)
      4: tripspro (Barendrecht),
      5: smartlookpok (spb),
      6: boingfwip (Chicago),
      7: rhinoneil (Solihull),
      8: ailias (Skellefteå),
      9: Nen Pro (Madrid),

      You finished in 7th place.

      PokerStars Tournament #146950327, No Limit Hold'em
      Buy-In: $5.00/$0.50
      9 players
      Total Prize Pool: $45.00
      Tournament started 2009/03/10 22:55:55 WET [2009/03/10 18:55:55 ET]
      Tournament finished 2009/03/11 0:17:08 WET [2009/03/10 20:17:08 ET]
      1: rhinoneil (Solihull), $22.50 (50%)
      2: jkweiner (saint john), $13.50 (30%)
      3: crazygenius (Chicago), $9.00 (20%)
      4: ftuna4 (Sturtevant),
      5: le pervers (angers),
      6: motaaaa (Montemor-o-novo),
      7: blindhorse86 (San Jose),
      8: tipupps (chisago city),
      9: padgettgirl (fayetteville),

      You finished in 1st place.

      PokerStars Tournament #146924101, No Limit Hold'em
      Buy-In: $5.00/$0.50
      9 players
      Total Prize Pool: $45.00
      Tournament started 2009/03/10 21:33:37 WET [2009/03/10 17:33:37 ET]
      Tournament finished 2009/03/10 22:54:48 WET [2009/03/10 18:54:48 ET]
      1: Jeff32479 (La Jolla), $22.50 (50%)
      2: bondy10 (stanley), $13.50 (30%)
      3: tripledazed (Arnprior), $9.00 (20%)
      4: rhinoneil (Solihull),
      5: Ocean013 (St. Charles),
      6: GregsPlace (Tempe),
      7: benna12 (Brockton),
      8: picknicker6 (Neckargemuend),
      9: Sovi666 (Hajdúböszörmény),

      You finished in 4th place.

      PokerStars Tournament #146924036, No Limit Hold'em
      Buy-In: $5.00/$0.50
      9 players
      Total Prize Pool: $45.00
      Tournament started 2009/03/10 21:33:32 WET [2009/03/10 17:33:32 ET]
      Tournament finished 2009/03/10 22:43:37 WET [2009/03/10 18:43:37 ET]
      1: tripledazed (Arnprior), $22.50 (50%)
      2: picknicker6 (Neckargemuend), $13.50 (30%)
      3: rhinoneil (Solihull), $9.00 (20%)
      4: sanvinpoker (corswarem),
      5: Izzy1990 (Kingston),
      6: tita4 (Porto),
      7: leré (st savournin),
      8: rKaye44 (timmins),
      9: mikejones06 (Oswego),

      You finished in 3rd place.

      PokerStars Tournament #146888819, No Limit Hold'em
      Buy-In: $1.00/$0.20
      45 players
      Total Prize Pool: $45.00
      Tournament started 2009/03/10 19:23:26 WET [2009/03/10 15:23:26 ET]
      Tournament finished 2009/03/10 21:31:16 WET [2009/03/10 17:31:16 ET]
      1: fireQuartz (Charlotte), $14.00 (31.11%)
      2: Ram iv (Courtenay), $10.00 (22.22%)
      3: Gerwi (Geldermalsen), $7.00 (15.55%)
      4: Akileaz (De Pere), $5.00 (11.11%)
      5: MisterAllin5 (Dinslaken), $4.00 (8.88%)
      6: zeusomat (München), $3.00 (6.66%)
      7: Jonny_Flush8 (Dinslaken), $2.00 (4.44%)
      8: rhinoneil (Solihull),
      9: ronnerrr (Den Haag),
      10: AFCA Joeble (Amsterdam),
      11: Nance013 (baarle-nassau),
      12: choukrou06 (NICE),
      13: einhorn39 (Moers),
      14: akotto08 (Wansee),
      15: DJ_Berk2 (Koblenz),
      16: kimposy (hannover),
      17: lonestar28 (Terrell),
      18: Rico_HH (hamburg),
      19: guilhon (BRASILIA),
      20: frapatjoemil (veghel),
      21: exsapper (banstead),
      22: dingfixer (Falmouth),
      23: ingen123 (Stavern),
      24: fiestalino (Mönchengladbach),
      25: Aniraf (Rotterdam),
      26: 2love (Lloydminster),
      27: sTalkR.bs (braunschweig),
      28: soniccobra80 (Ramsloh),
      29: sususan (Canton),
      30: BigGou7 (victoriaville),
      31: advrhpoker (Guarantã do Norte),
      32: sob9000 (Aalborg),
      33: forestfawn (Abilene),
      34: oscarx259 (olympia),
      35: jhthomas69 (Indianapolis),
      36: moitus (Montevideo),
      37: FC_LYNX (Санкт-Петербург),
      38: Kikaedi (Gdansk),
      39: joshuela (Laupheim),
      40: The Emme (Winssen),
      41: cjohnson2009 (easton),
      42: jonnls (Fyllingsdalen),
      43: U. Meinhof (Willich),
      44: Helga-neiti (jyväskylä),
      45: ezio73 (pieve emanuele),

      You finished in 8th place.

      PokerStars Tournament #146888538, No Limit Hold'em
      Buy-In: $1.00/$0.20
      27 players
      Total Prize Pool: $27.00
      Tournament started 2009/03/10 19:21:35 WET [2009/03/10 15:21:35 ET]
      Tournament finished 2009/03/10 21:03:33 WET [2009/03/10 17:03:33 ET]
      1: brzy007 (pobegi), $10.00 (37.03%)
      2: Dimanich1981 (Togliatti), $7.20 (26.66%)
      3: Tchav2008 (Kolomna), $4.80 (17.77%)
      4: foxmotion (Absurdistan), $2.80 (10.37%)
      5: Bricqebeck (Surhusterfean), $2.20 (8.14%)
      6: HIZZLEHEATED (TOPEKA),
      7: geukie29 (harderwijk),
      8: effuno99 (Southampton),
      9: squalo66 (roma),
      10: UisdeanWolf (stafford),
      11: johnny821101 (barakaldo),
      12: rhinoneil (Solihull),
      13: whizzerbryan (Bakersfield),
      14: bigbacca (Nome),
      15: Mupa82 (Pforzheim),
      16: H@ns imGlück (Schlaraffenland),
      17: CoolHandKai (London),
      18: whistlernewf (Toronto),
      19: miniteufel (Wuppertal),
      20: edrobert1 (leesburg),
      21: NamAnd (Ульяновск),
      22: joshuela (Laupheim),
      23: Bill123Z (Indianapolis),
      24: HAW28 (Almelo),
      25: gympokervzla (maracay),
      26: Patrick_tt_ (Wr. Neustadt),
      27: guix30 (nîmes),

      You finished in 12th place.

      PokerStars Tournament #146889019, No Limit Hold'em
      Buy-In: $1.00/$0.10
      45 players
      Total Prize Pool: $45.00
      Tournament started 2009/03/10 19:20:47 WET [2009/03/10 15:20:47 ET]
      Tournament finished 2009/03/10 20:27:21 WET [2009/03/10 16:27:21 ET]
      1: thebigbud81 (Mannheim), $14.00 (31.11%)
      2: elbkind75 (Hamburg), $10.00 (22.22%)
      3: siMMel_xAAx (Dorsten), $7.00 (15.55%)
      4: Ronin13 (Clemmons), $5.00 (11.11%)
      5: zendegi (North York), $4.00 (8.88%)
      6: 0AA0 (Kuressaare), $3.00 (6.66%)
      7: KamiMaro (Grand Rapids), $2.00 (4.44%)
      8: Debo Boo (Washington Ct. Hs.),
      9: vinnythecat (Fernley),
      10: geccosurf74 (Berlin),
      11: JubbsASU (Tempe),
      12: Royal Roger9 (Druten),
      13: rhinoneil (Solihull),
      14: Anton1970 (Moenchengladbach),
      15: nemoku (kaunas),
      16: cram24 (mering),
      17: pokerlfy (Uden),
      18: Jcpetrat (Germany),
      19: tylerdamc (merida yucatan),
      20: SeriphNox (Charlestown),
      21: GM_Carlsen (Halifax),
      22: Schadowcrow (schenefeld),
      23: Patrick_tt_ (Wr. Neustadt),
      24: Picus77 (Frankfurt),
      25: Seahawk107 (Budapest),
      26: AshleyRFC (Glasgow),
      27: honsi2004 (Buchholz),
      28: babs030303 (zoetermeer),
      29: motoxxx8484 (venice),
      30: TAG88 (Pauma valley),
      31: Sevens0077 (Geneva),
      32: cow 2532 (den haag),
      33: Emmler (worms),
      34: LiLDeViLBoi (amelia),
      35: bigbuckbaker (cincinnati),
      36: henkieo (Katwijk),
      37: dresiak (Frankfurt),
      38: miruber123 (allentown),
      39: aZiaN.vN (RENNES),
      40: Rivermom1026 (Frazier Park),
      41: ezio73 (pieve emanuele),
      42: jerms007 (mine centre),
      43: RedLion7 (Bedburg-Hau),
      44: eliane79 (niort),
      45: to8381 (tilst),

      You finished in 13th place.

      PokerStars Tournament #146888724, No Limit Hold'em
      Buy-In: $1.00/$0.20
      18 players
      Total Prize Pool: $18.00
      Tournament started 2009/03/10 19:20:34 WET [2009/03/10 15:20:34 ET]
      Tournament finished 2009/03/10 20:37:07 WET [2009/03/10 16:37:07 ET]
      1: n1keone (Budapest), $7.20 (40%)
      2: rhinoneil (Solihull), $5.40 (30%)
      3: tambor888 (c.real), $3.60 (20%)
      4: lilettenova (NANCY), $1.80 (10%)
      5: havetocall (Azeroth),
      6: Ale Aparicio (Santos),
      7: jvandersluis (Oheyo),
      8: winnfield (breitenfurt),
      9: Markisen26 (Happy Place),
      10: connyxyz (mayrhofen),
      11: DarkAAngel (Hofors),
      12: ERPAJARO (Cordoba),
      13: Greycloaks (Rödental),
      14: rolex2202 (Munich),
      15: VPETYA77 (Budapest),
      16: AAAAme (danbury),
      17: pookie322 (cambridge),
      18: ricardo45 (la teste),

      You finished in 2nd place.
    • SoyCD
      SoyCD
      Bronze
      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 6,356
      Hi guys,

      Sorry I had to delete/clean up here - but I don't want the thread to derail into something that I have to close. Discussion about other affiliate offers especially direct competitors is not allowed (Board Rules) - and it was getting out of hand here.

      Please keep the board rules in mind.

      Best regards & good luck with your progress,
      SoyCD
    • rhinoneil
      rhinoneil
      Gold
      Joined: 16.04.2008 Posts: 1,159
      Hi Soy
      sorry didnt realize they were a competitor
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