[NL20-NL50] NL50 hand 2

    • Talic
      Joined: 04.01.2008 Posts: 1,851
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      Hero ($70.04)
      BB ($67.69)
      UTG ($40.04)
      CO ($50.75)
      BTN ($50)

      Dealt to Hero T:club: T:diamond:

      fold, CO raises to $2, fold, Hero raises to $7, fold, CO calls $5,

      FLOP ($14.50) 8:club: 3:diamond: 9:club:

      Hero bets $8.39, CO raises to $21, Hero raises to $63.04, CO calls $22.75,

      TURN ($102) 8:club: 3:diamond: 9:club: 9:diamond:

      RIVER ($102) 8:club: 3:diamond: 9:club: 9:diamond: 7:spade:

      CO shows 3:heart: 3:spade:
      (Flop 82.6%, Turn 90.9%)

      Hero shows T:club: T:diamond:
      (Flop 17.4%, Turn 9.1%)

      CO wins $100

      +question: can he actually call IP hand like 33?

      19/15/3.4 3bet/3.2AF
  • 2 replies
    • csnmf
      Joined: 22.11.2006 Posts: 444
      I had a similar hand today a guy set mined my 3bet button vs SB same preflop bet sizing and everything i was also stacked my QQ vs his 44 on a J4x board two suits.

      In my case i contemplated if i could get away from the hand when he shoved over my c-bet but due to history (the previous day i got it all in pre with my AK vs AQ for button vs sb right a few hands after i stacked him with 1010 when he slowplayed AA) i decided i was ahead of his range.

      But anyway in your case i think you can find a fold as there is JJ, QQ that might have slowplayed preflop and in this situation you're either flipping or you are toast.

      Essentially a hand like 33 or 44 is basically set mining even in position as on so many flops they can't continue. So they are calling 5 to win your stack of 50 which are terrible odds (doesn't some article suggest 15 to 1 minimum?), considering sometimes you are 3 betting light so they have no implieds, sometimes an overcard flops and you are bet/folding anyway, sometimes you both flop a set or you suckout, so in other words their play is losing in the long run.
    • Kaitz20
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      if you 3-bet wider than just TT+, AK, then he can´t call, since he has tofold a lot of times even if you for example has there 54 and flop comes 28T.
      If you 3-bet tight and he´d expect you to stack off every time with overpair, then his line is probably fine (although I don´t like it).
      Depends a lot how wide is your 3-bet range