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[NL5] flush over flush? tough spot

    • BoD500
      BoD500
      Bronze
      Joined: 09.11.2017 Posts: 3
      MP1 is an aggrofish with stats VPIP 73 PFR 39 3bet 28.1. over 100 hands. had a couple of hands with him before where he drew his hand on a FD board with a standard line: small blocking bet /call a huge RR flop and turn, the river with missed draw - check/fold

      BTN is a tag with stats VPIP 18 PFR 14 3bet 2.4 over 1.1k hands.

      at the turn I got more concerned about the maniac than the tag (crying call or just drawing nuts) and actually was suspicious of the flush considering maniacs line and history. So my option was in fact between a shove or fold. I was more inclined to shove but on second thoughts his line was quite dangerous. Is it +EV shoving the turn at such a spot in the long run?


      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $3.16 (63.2 bb)
      BB: $4.71 (94.2 bb)
      UTG+1: $5.42 (108.4 bb)
      UTG+2: $5 (100 bb)
      MP1: $10.85 (217 bb)
      MP2: $5.24 (104.8 bb)
      MP3: $5 (100 bb)
      Hero (CO): $6.97 (139.4 bb)
      BTN: $5.45 (109 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with :8d: :9d:
      2 folds, MP1 calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN raises to $0.35, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

      Flop: ($1.12) :Qh: :3d: :4d: (3 players)
      MP1 bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, BTN calls $0.20

      Turn: ($1.72) :7d: (3 players)
      MP1 bets $0.20, Hero raises to $1.20, BTN calls $1.20, MP1 raises to $2.20

      Hero?
  • 8 replies
    • Talisker74
      Talisker74
      Gold
      Joined: 17.08.2009 Posts: 1,322
      With the reg in this hand involved I would prefer to fold
      I guess he has at least Set or better

      Heads up with the fish you can push
    • BoD500
      BoD500
      Bronze
      Joined: 09.11.2017 Posts: 3
      so how would you play the river then if it brought a brick and 1) the fish folds at the turn (less likely) 2) the fish calls the turn and plays check at the river?
    • Talisker74
      Talisker74
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      Joined: 17.08.2009 Posts: 1,322
      I would try to check it down
      Because that should be max EV in my opinion
      Their are some better flushes possible and so need to make the pot bigger
    • BoD500
      BoD500
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      Joined: 09.11.2017 Posts: 3
      thanks. your thoughts are really helpful
    • nitrol
      nitrol
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      Joined: 24.07.2010 Posts: 11,997
      I agree that we should fold preflop vs the BU 3b. He is 3B 2.4 for 1100 hands and this is very tight. We should not call and play OOP vs such range.
      As played, you should be suspicious when you get action from multiple villains and you hold a low flush!
    • Talisker74
      Talisker74
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      Joined: 17.08.2009 Posts: 1,322
      I guess you can call pre because against the reg you have got a high expectation to win a big pot when making a strong hand on the flop
      straight, flush, two pair +
    • nitrol
      nitrol
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      Joined: 24.07.2010 Posts: 11,997
      We cannot play OOP and chase draws in a 3b pot...
    • DecMate
      DecMate
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      Joined: 25.01.2009 Posts: 1,467
      Originally posted by Talisker74
      With the reg in this hand involved I would prefer to fold
      I guess he has at least Set or better
      How the hell have you put the reg on a set with this line?
      He didn't raise the flop, and just calls the re-pop. He doesn't have a set here.

      Originally posted by nitrol
      We cannot play OOP and chase draws in a 3b pot...
      He bets 0.20$ on the flop. Hardly chasing with those odds.

      [quote]Originally posted by nitrol
      I agree that we should fold preflop vs the BU 3b. /quote]
      With the fish in the pot calling is an option we can take. Heads up on the other hand, less so.

      As played;
      I'm shipping. If you know this guy is an agro monkey, and the reg showing passiveness so far, i'm inclined to capitalize on the agro monkeys re-raise.
      However, I don't think calling would be the worst play, but this could entice the reg to call also, who could very well be holding the Ad, which is why I think shoving is optimal.