[NL10] 2's ~ Facing turn over-shove

    • DecMate
      DecMate
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      PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $10.48 (VPIP: 27.53, PFR: 20.71, 3Bet Preflop: 5.66, Hands: 403)
      SB: $10.62 (VPIP: 14.84, PFR: 8.59, 3Bet Preflop: 1.98, Hands: 261)
      Hero (BB): $14.00
      UTG: $14.46 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
      MP: $11.66 (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 22)
      CO: $14.01 (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 14.58, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 49)

      SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 2:diamond: 2:heart:

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.23, SB calls $0.18, Hero calls $0.13

      Flop: ($0.69, 3 players) 3:club: 4:spade: 2:spade:
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.44, fold, SB raises to $1.60, Hero calls $1.16

      Turn: ($3.89, 2 players) K:diamond:
      SB bets $8.79 and is all-in, Hero calls $8.79

      River: ($21.47, 2 players) 9:club:


      I almost folded this. Then thought "what would PS do?"
      Such a random line when he ships,.. what we saying?
  • 13 replies
    • Varune
      Varune
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      I can find a fold here.

      Reasons:
      1) his tight stats pre
      2) raising a donk 3 way on a board that shouldn't hit his range (sb calling range from a nit is mainly pp's and highbroadways)
      3) overjamming turn
    • nitrol
      nitrol
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      Looks like AsKs, KsQs... :)
    • Varune
      Varune
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      Originally posted by nitrol
      Looks like AsKs, KsQs... :)
      That would be a horrible play by him OTT. He shouldn't be afraid of flushes then and has massive showdown value after he hits his K.
    • LemOn36
      LemOn36
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      I say spew
    • DecMate
      DecMate
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      Originally posted by LemOn36
      I say spew
      Well if Lemon says so it must be good.
      He had 4's.
    • sdf256
      sdf256
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      Am I the only one that wouldn't donk, but check/raise?
    • nitrol
      nitrol
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      What would you represent with a xr on this board?
      What will you do if flop gets checked?
    • sdf256
      sdf256
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      If flop got checked then I would hope that turn doesnt finish the possible FD/straight draw and I would bet OTT by myself.

      With check/raise I represent set, but I guess he might call with a strong FD. If he has suited A of spades then he also has a gut shot and he is not folding with that I think.
    • CucumbaMan
      CucumbaMan
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      Well, that's a tricky one again. Ialso believe that it is possible to find a fold here.

      I mean what is he representing? A pocket overpair to the flop, like AA, KK, QQ, etc. would have 3 bet preflop, and maybe the same goes for AKs as well.

      A check-raise on the flop looks a lot like a flush draw, maybe an overpair (but as stated above it is not likely), or a set. And I don't think it would be a wise move from villain to overshove here with a flush draw or a flush draw with a K, because you called a check-raise on the flop, and you have a lot of 22, 33, 44, 56s, maybe A5o and A5s in your range.
    • nitrol
      nitrol
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      Originally posted by sdf256
      If flop got checked then I would hope that turn doesnt finish the possible FD/straight draw and I would bet OTT by myself.

      Why give free cards?
    • la55i
      la55i
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      I prefer the lead when multiway because I wouldn't like to give free cards. MW the risk of everyone checking is too high.
      OTT I think I would just fold it. We need to win this so often and there are quite many better hands possible.
    • LemOn36
      LemOn36
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      Yeah it's a pretty easy fold there vs SB, especially tight looking one after we decide for a large lead
      Flop check or lead don't really matter much, you will find solid reasons for both if you think about it
      Especially if you lose your stack like this you're really hurting the EV of the lead
    • mbml
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      33 is a snap call, 22 is probably call and hope for the best, and this would be the bottom of my calling range.

      Such a nit is never raising worse than a massive combodraw + sets + straights, and any non-set hand is getting crushed by this range. Even 22 is not doing too hot here. The Turn overbet makes me weight his range slightly more towards combodraws so I guess I'd call reluctantly.