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Folding my way into a bigger winrate

    • RubbyDubby
      RubbyDubby
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      For 2NL

      I have been calling river bets at 2NL with two pair, TPTK bottom sets etc too much and think now that it might be a leak at 2NL to call those.

      So what I will do for 25.000 hands is:

      Fold to all river bets when the bet is more than 1/3th of the pot (also when I am so called 'pot committed') when I do not have the 'almost' nuts.

      My definition of the almost nuts:
      When flush: The second best flush is the almost nuts.
      When straight: 48 on a 567xx board is the almost nuts
      When set 66 on a 26Txx board is the almost nuts (but on a 567xx board it is not).
      The lowest boat possible is 'per definition' the almost nuts

      I will fold all my flushes and straights to all paired boards (because it is NOT the almost nuts).
      I will fold all my trips (because it is NOT the almost nuts).
      I will fold all my bottom sets.

      I am not saying I will not bet these hands! I will bet (check) /fold.

      Exception 1:
      Pot + bet below 10BB. I'm allowed to catch small bluffs.

      Exception 2:
      Sometimes your hand is not strong enough to go all in but too strong not to bet the turn. In this case I am allowed to check the turn to induce a bluff and call that bluff on the river. Example in spoiler

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:spade: Q:spade: (villain was 8/8/15 but small sample)

      Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 10 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

      Flop: (20.5 BB, 2 players) 2:diamond: 6:club: Q:heart:
      BB bets 14.5 BB, Hero calls 14.5 BB

      Turn: (49.5 BB, 2 players) 5:diamond:
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: (49.5 BB, 2 players) J:spade:
      BB bets 34.5 BB, Hero calls 34.5 BB

      I will post my graph and I will post the hands I folded.

      At the end I'm interested if my total graph goes up/down/stays same

      Maybe it is a bit of a small sample but at 25K I will evaluate.

      Constructive criticism is more than welcome.

      edit: I changed 1/4th of the pot to 1/3th of the pot , the 1/4th was too nitty.
      edit: 25 feb 2018 Added the 'calling delayed turnbet' rule.
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    • RubbyDubby
      RubbyDubby
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      OK.. Played 1100 hands...

      Her is my graph (but I can not use an external URL for an image).

      Ah.. shit.. the image is not working, why? (its not the http/https thing, I have tried that one).
      I have seen other people use external links? Is it disabled now?

      RubbyDubby
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    • AgapieGheorghe
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      Hey, good luck with your challenge ! Do you play normal tables or Zoom ?

      P.S. - Just leave the link to your photos I will help you to upload your graphs until you get Bronze status.
    • RubbyDubby
      RubbyDubby
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      @AgapieGheorghe Thank you so much! (It also looks like I can not have friends when not bronze)
      Normal tables. I really like the opponent reading part of poker. I am not so much into hand ranges.

      So I had a bit of a rough start as you can see in the graph above. Lets look at the All-in adj. line for this challenge shall we.

      Interesting hands of day 1 you can find here..
    • RubbyDubby
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      Day 2: 2000 hands played now and I'm break even :(



      I have a question. For this challenge. Can I use the All-in adj line?
      I mean, you start a challenge but after 2000 hands you're more than 4 buy ins below EV!

      Link to the 2 interesting hands of this session.

      :D The most ridiculous suckout just for entertainment purposes below :D

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:heart: K:club:

      fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO raises to 18 BB, Hero raises to 55 BB, CO calls 33.5 BB and is all-in

      Flop: (104 BB, 2 players) 7:heart: K:diamond: 6:heart:

      Turn: (104 BB, 2 players) 8:heart:
      River: (104 BB, 2 players) 9:diamond:
      Hero shows K:heart: K:club: (Three of a Kind, Kings)
      (Pre 81%, Flop 98%, Turn 93%)
      CO shows T:club: T:diamond: (Straight, Ten High)
      (Pre 19%, Flop 2%, Turn 7%)
      CO wins 100.5 BB
    • AgapieGheorghe
      AgapieGheorghe
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      After 25k hands you will catch up the EV, yeah it sucks that you are so much under EV right now, but you just need volume.

      Good luck tomorrow :f_thumbsup:
    • qazwsx81
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      Originally posted by RubbyDubby
      Day 2: 2000 hands played now and I'm break even :(

      http://www.belmijnouders.nl/img/2.png

      I have a question. For this challenge. Can I use the All-in adj line?
      I mean, you start a challenge but after 2000 hands you're more than 4 buy ins below EV!

      Link to the 2 interesting hands of this session.

      :D The most ridiculous suckout just for entertainment purposes below :D

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:heart: K:club:

      fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO raises to 18 BB, Hero raises to 55 BB, CO calls 33.5 BB and is all-in

      Flop: (104 BB, 2 players) 7:heart: K:diamond: 6:heart:

      Turn: (104 BB, 2 players) 8:heart:
      River: (104 BB, 2 players) 9:diamond:
      Hero shows K:heart: K:club: (Three of a Kind, Kings)
      (Pre 81%, Flop 98%, Turn 93%)
      CO shows T:club: T:diamond: (Straight, Ten High)
      (Pre 19%, Flop 2%, Turn 7%)
      CO wins 100.5 BB
      You break even but look at your other line. Your 4 buy ins up !!!!!
    • RubbyDubby
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      I'm not winning anything :f_mad:
      I think it is not because of me folding to big river bets because there weren't hardly any.
      Just did not hit much and when I did hit I got no action at all.

      I might have overplayed one hand and that one you can find here...

    • RubbyDubby
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      :censored: BRUTAL.

      How can you start a challenge and then have to eat this shit (and NO i did not run like Dough Polk before I started this challenge).

      On the bright side, It looks like it does not influence my play.

      here... a river bet I folded.

    • AgapieGheorghe
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      WTF is going on every day you are so much under EV, can you post a total graph with showdown and non showdown winings also.
    • RubbyDubby
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      Yah, it sucks

      What sucks even more is that Luck and Badluck do not have memories.
      They'll start from scratch tomorrow morning :) .



      But again, the good news is that I can see it does not influences my game. I had a real downswing once, that one started also with somthing like this but then my green line went on a down slide.
    • AgapieGheorghe
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      It is important to have a good mindset when you have a bad time.
      I wish i can be like you, I get tilted easily when my fishes win the all in with any2 and then leaves the table :D
    • RubbyDubby
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      Woo!! I won some and did not got sucked out ( had a big cooler though :f_eek: at the end of the session )

      So despite the crazy 6 stacks below EV still 4BB/100!

      Don't feel like posting a hand. I folded some but not interesting.

    • AgapieGheorghe
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      First day with a profit !

    • RubbyDubby
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      Waa!!!!! I did run like crazy! It is as if the poker gods rewarded me for not tilting. 1000 hands a day is a bit much though. I play 4 tables because I want to stay concentrated but that is 3 hours of playing or so.

      I folded 2 hands by my rules.
      One trips with a flush on the board and one TP good kicker.

      The folding of :Qh: :Qd: :Qs: (trips) you will find ..here...

    • RubbyDubby
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      Got sucked out again. Now more than 6.5BB below EV and then I START TILTING and stop following my rules and loose chips.

      The not following my rules hand ..here..

    • RubbyDubby
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      I'm running like a poker God. Folding my way into a massive upswing.

      But you know what they say: 'What goes up must come down'.

      Removed the All-In Adj because no suck-outs today and you can see it anyway in the information box



      Just for the archives.

      I folded my KK for less than 1/3 of the pot. Think it's a good fold though.

      UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 32.55, PFR: 24.19, 3Bet Preflop: 6.32, Hands: 569)
      Hero (MP): 150.5 BB
      CO: 103.5 BB (VPIP: 15.84, PFR: 7.59, 3Bet Preflop: 2.33, Hands: 311)
      BTN: 106 BB (VPIP: 30.95, PFR: 23.81, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 42)
      SB: 57 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 36)
      BB: 106.5 BB (VPIP: 28.13, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:spade: K:heart:

      fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

      Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 6:heart: 9:diamond: 5:diamond:
      Hero bets 4 BB, BTN calls 4 BB

      Turn: (15.5 BB, 2 players) 3:spade:
      Hero bets 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB

      River: (33.5 BB, 2 players) 7:diamond:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 10 BB, fold

      BTN wins 32.5 BB
      Rake paid 1 BB

    • RubbyDubby
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      I'm invincible ;) !

      Thought I would have a loosing session but the end made all good again.

      Andother 16K hands to go before evaluating

    • RubbyDubby
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      BAM! 2 buy-ins down. I really had to step on the brake there.
      I think I was getting too comfortable opening too early. Then when you hit nothing for a while it is getting expensive very quickly.

      I made one brutal lay-down. You will find it ..here..

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