[NL2-NL10] NL25 FR - Q,3s - freeplay - flush draw + overcard?

    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $4.87
      Hero:
      $4.97

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 3:heart: , Q:heart:
      7 folds, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks.

      Flop: ($0.50) 4:diamond: , 5:heart: , J:diamond: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks.

      Turn: ($0.50) 8:heart: (2 players)
      SB bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36.

      River: ($1.22) Q:diamond: (2 players)
      SB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25.

      Final Pot: $1.72


      Calculation (maybe incorrect...)

      Pot odds of 0.86 : 0.36 = 2.4:1
      Outs are, at best, 9+3 (flush and 3Qs) = 12 outs. So, Odds are: (unhelpful cards (52-2-4) - 12 = 34 : 12 (helpful cards), so 2.83:1.

      So, I can't call unless I have some implied odds as well?

      Thanks
  • 3 replies
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      When SB opencompletes and checks to you on the flop he shows a lot of weakness and you can take the stab on the pot and most of the time you will win directly. So, bet potsize on the flop.

      As played, I think you can call turn and re-evaluate river. However, I think you can't really count on Q as clean outs, so when you hit Q on the river I like to just call.
    • Gerv
      Gerv
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Hello Tim64,

      As burek pointed out, bet 2/3-potsized on the Flop to take the pot right there.
      I discount your Q for possible flushes leaving you with 11 outs.

      11 outs = 3,3:1 => :1 = $0.36

      Pot must be $0.36x3.3 = $1.18
      Pot was $0.5+$0.36 so
      $1.18 - $0.86 = [To be extracted Value on next street]
      $0.32 = [To be extraced Value on next street]

      Then I see its an easy call :)
      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Thanks to both of you!

      Forgot to discount FD Q when doing the calc, but otherwise didn't do too badly for once.

      Cheers,
      Tim