[NL25] AKo ~ 3b pot, facing donk triple barrel [1]

    • DecMate
      DecMate
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      PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $35.48 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
      SB: $64.69 (VPIP: 27.94, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 71)
      BB: $24.65
      UTG: $65.41 (VPIP: 23.11, PFR: 16.73, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 256)
      MP: $24.98 (VPIP: 21.54, PFR: 10.77, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 67)
      Hero (CO): $28.56

      SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A:diamond: K:spade:

      UTG raises to $0.62, fold, Hero raises to $2.25, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $1.63

      Flop: ($4.85, 2 players) J:diamond: 8:diamond: 7:diamond:
      UTG bets $2.32, Hero calls $2.32

      Turn: ($9.49, 2 players) K:heart:
      UTG bets $7.25, Hero calls $7.25

      River: ($23.99, 2 players) K:diamond:
      UTG bets $17.00, Hero calls $16.74 and is all-in

      UTG shows K:club: 8:club: (Full House, Kings full of Eights)
      (Pre 29%, Flop 53%, Turn 68%)
      Hero shows A:diamond: K:spade: (Flush, Ace High)
      (Pre 71%, Flop 47%, Turn 32%)
      UTG wins $55.47


      I hate the turn spot. I don't feel like i'm getting the odds to draw to the flush and the king doesn't change much. It looks like a trips / flush / straight, can we fold here?
      On the river, wasn't sure what to think. Really tough spots, appreciate feedback.
  • 12 replies
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
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      His lead on the flop seems weird, but with the outs for the nut flush I can’t fold here

      On the turn you have also top pair, but you need good reads to call here that he could bluff sometimes here.

      As played the river isn’t ideal, but now I can’t fold. Otherwise you shouldn’t call the turn in the first place.

      Cheers,
      SDK1987
    • Talisker74
      Talisker74
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      Joined: 17.08.2009 Posts: 1,318
      I guess it is a fold on the turn.
      Because villain represents a flush or at leas a set (if he is a reg)

      Folding is nut easy, because of having TPTK and NFD, but only one card to deal and when villain has the flush, really bad pot odds
    • chiaradiapoker
      chiaradiapoker
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      Joined: 03.02.2010 Posts: 672
      as the player is a 23/16 is hard to pay that big bet OTT, but when saw the showdown it shows that is very tricky, so note and move on

      if he donks that kind of hands on one color board, maybe with FD + OC is better to directly shove OTF.
    • nitrol
      nitrol
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      Joined: 24.07.2010 Posts: 11,914
      The flop donk is so common nowadays. Nothing special. I like it as played. Make a note on this player.
    • fmobil
      fmobil
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      Joined: 20.02.2010 Posts: 1,941
      Call ofc. If You fold that, what is your calling range on the river? Only 1 combo KK? U can fold 6 combos of AK on the river but cant fold the AK with the :Ad: ..

      GL!
    • LemOn36
      LemOn36
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      Joined: 07.02.2009 Posts: 1,907
      Well Villain's a fish or fishreg, when someone takes a line like this it should be more evidence than small sample of stats can ever give you
      I've been always calling these off, but fold on the turn vs a MP open might be okay, it's not easy to put him on many bluffs but people that use these lines will always show up with goofy stuff in their ranges (like he has, after seeing this I'd snap vs the guy next time)

      I think the main lesson I got from hands like these at micros is not to waste too much time on analysing them, you shouldn't face this line very often, on reg tables you will sooner or later figure out what the fish is doing and in zoom you've got craploads of much more common spots with big impacts on winrate to improve in, that's been my phylosophy anyways. You face weird confusing stuff, you call the best hands you can have in the spot like the one we called with, fold weaker ones, the more you are confident in reads/population tendencies the more you go towards more or less hands, take a note (if you play reg tables) and move on.
    • KatalonacX
      KatalonacX
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      K8s realy funny, I put villian on JJ,88, maybe 77.OTF,OTT we can call,but OTF it's fold,imo.
    • vengeance77
      vengeance77
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      I would raise on the flop:)
    • LacsapR
      LacsapR
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      well I would have played exactly the same...interesting hand and comments here
    • xxnub
      xxnub
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      I think his lead on turn is very strong and you should fold that but in that situation fold button usual hide its self.
    • nitrol
      nitrol
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      Villain donks on flop too. We cannot fold tp+fd.
    • Nochmals
      Nochmals
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      Joined: 11.09.2009 Posts: 106
      sorry , i would fold...may be too weak, bt my experience in these cases : fold on turn vs this opener....