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[NL20-NL50] Nl50 Sh 66

    • generals007
      generals007
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      Joined: 17.09.2007 Posts: 578
      0,25/0,50 No-Limit Hold'em [color:blue](4 handed)[/color]
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with 6:club: , 6:spade:
      [color:red]Hero raises to $1,50[/color], [color:red]BU raises to $5,00[/color], SB calls $4,75, [color:grey]BB folds[/color], [color:red]Hero raises to $22,00[/color], [color:grey]2 folds[/color].

      Final Pot: $32,50


      BU was 3betting very lightly with always different betsizes and no obvious scheme. SB was calling loosely preflop, but he didn't call a 3bet before.
      Decision right to 4bet?
  • 7 replies
    • Diedobal
      Diedobal
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      Joined: 07.10.2007 Posts: 558
      It's ok to do this once in a while (say 20%), if you have been a solid 18/16 players with no/or only 1 4bet from utg, BU wont 5bet shove less then KK/AA/AK. The hand you have here doesnt really matter as JJ-66 plays the same. Only thing that might cause some worries is how bad SB is. He could easily have a pair that has you beat 77-99 and doesnt like to fold?, but thats readdependable.
    • caltabiano
      caltabiano
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      Joined: 09.03.2007 Posts: 1,992
      I don't think SB is gonna call that 4bet, unless he's got a monster.

      It's alright to do this when you there's someone 3betting very lightly
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      by 4-betting to 22$, you have to call shove and you never want to be on that situation.
      I´d just call pf, although you´re oop, it is multiway pot and sometimes you can see showdown even if you don´t hit your set.
      Other option would be 4-bet smaller, that you can fold if BU shove. 14$ should be good amount.
    • generals007
      generals007
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      Joined: 17.09.2007 Posts: 578
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      by 4-betting to 22$, you have to call shove and you never want to be on that situation.
      I´d just call pf, although you´re oop, it is multiway pot and sometimes you can see showdown even if you don´t hit your set.
      Other option would be 4-bet smaller, that you can fold if BU shove. 14$ should be good amount.
      There are more than 10$ in the pot, whatever hand sb has, if he called 3bet he'll call 14$ 4bet as well, won't he?
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      4-bet is smt different than 3-bet.
      calling 5$ is fine, but when player has to call extra 9$, then it is a lot bigger amount and you´re really representing there very big hand, so even if he calls he would just c/f a lot of flops.
    • generals007
      generals007
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      Joined: 17.09.2007 Posts: 578
      Could you give me some standard 3-bet and 4-bet betsizes in % of the pot? Until now I 3bet ~ 6.50$ in 2.75$, so 2.something*potsize and 4bet ~ 18 in 7+2=8, so 2*potsize as well.

      gen
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      these are my 3-bet/4-bet sizes nl 100 (you can probably devide these numbers by two in nl 50)

      when someone opens 3bb, I make it 10,5 (potsize 3-bet)
      when someone opens 3,5bb, I make 11,5
      when someone opens 2,5 or less bb, I make it at least 9bb (oop 10bb)

      assuming that someone 3-bets me 11$, I would 4-bet 27-28 (around 2,5x). That is enough to induce shove by worse hands and balance my 4-betting with bluffs, which I can fold.