[NL25] 9's ~ Flopped set, misplayed?

    • DecMate
      DecMate
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      Joined: 25.01.2009 Posts: 1,368
      PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $46.09 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
      SB: $32.47 (VPIP: 19.83, PFR: 14.88, 3Bet Preflop: 8.51, Hands: 123)
      BB: $27.68 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
      Hero (UTG): $25.00
      MP: $41.88 (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
      CO: $25.35 (VPIP: 37.04, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)

      SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 9:diamond: 9:club:

      Hero raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, CO calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, fold, fold

      Flop: ($3.35, 4 players) 9:spade: Q:spade: 4:diamond:
      Hero bets $3.00, fold, CO calls $3.00, BTN calls $3.00

      Turn: ($12.35, 3 players) 8:diamond:
      Hero bets $5.50, CO calls $5.50, fold

      River: ($23.35, 2 players) K:diamond:
      Hero bets $15.75 and is all-in, CO calls $15.75

      Hero shows 9:diamond: 9:club: (Three of a Kind, Nines)
      (Pre 51%, Flop 74%, Turn 23%)
      CO shows T:heart: J:heart: (Straight, King High)
      (Pre 49%, Flop 26%, Turn 77%)
      CO wins $52.85


      SO I've been in spots where the turn brings a pretty bad card before, and been told to bet bigger.
      I do so here.
      The river isn't particularly great for us; my thoughts are he didn't raise turn so I don't really weigh his range towards 10J; and if we were to check and he shoves OTR, can we fold here?
  • 6 replies
    • nitrol
      nitrol
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      Joined: 24.07.2010 Posts: 11,914
      What is that bad about the turn card? Only JT beat you ( except QQ from flop)...
      It gives more draws a chance and you can cbet bigger.
    • Varune
      Varune
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      Joined: 24.04.2009 Posts: 5,424
      I might opt to check the flop, it'll play your ranges alot easier imo.
      reasons: it's 4 way, you won't be happily triple barreling AQ here anyway.
      Because it's 4way, you'll have way less foldequity -> you're probably not bluffing enough, hence you can't bet balanced.
      Also by x/raising flop you don't get these awkward turn sizings.

      On the river this bet almost seems too thin, You're never bluffing here, he should know this, so wether or not he'll herocall you with KQ after said action is doubtfull.
    • nitrol
      nitrol
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      Checking the flop with FD+SD on board 4 way is not good, imo.
    • LemOn36
      LemOn36
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      Joined: 07.02.2009 Posts: 1,907
      I'd check or cbet 25% on the flop
      Turn probably go for check shove when both call this large bet on the flop
    • LemOn36
      LemOn36
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      Originally posted by nitrol
      Checking the flop with FD+SD on board 4 way is not good, imo.
      I mean think if you're in your opponent's shoes right
      There's 3 people in position on you, so if you are CO or BU and 2 people check you probably can safely bet your flush draws, JT etc. expecting to take it down often after they showed weakness.
      Same goes for Qx etc. after you check the other guys will feel like they need to protect their hand and should bet most of the time.
      Add to that that if you bet this big with Qx or even AA yourself you have a hard spot on a ton of turns and check becomes a viable option here if you don't want to play your hand face-up

      25% is just a special case for 4way pots that allows you to bet a lot more hands, forces them to raise strong hands like 44, gives you cheap price on your bluffs, induces raises when you do have strong hands from draws, even Qx and lets you play turns easier when people just flat.
    • LemOn36
      LemOn36
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      Oh and you're in for Talent yes DecMate?
      You just missed out last time I think you'd be great to be featured with shots at NL25, and we already know how to make a vid :P

      Post in the thread in my link if you're in and and I'll hit you up on skype