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[NL2-NL10] NL25 FR - 9,7o - freeplay - straight draw - implied odds in action or just a dumb call?

    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 8,028
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $5.64
      UTG:
      $38.07
      UTG2:
      $18.50

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 9:club: , 7:spade:
      UTG calls $0.25, UTG1 folds, UTG2 calls $0.25, 6 folds, Hero checks.

      Flop: ($0.85) 6:club: , 8:diamond: , A:club: (3 players)
      Hero checks, UTG bets $0.75, UTG2 folds, Hero calls $0.75.

      Turn: ($2.35) T:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.24, UTG calls $2.24.

      River: ($6.83) 5:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero raises $2.40 (All-In), UTG calls $2.40.

      Final Pot: $11.63


      So, this serves UTG1 right for limping in with his pocket Aces then flopping trip Aces :)

      Now, I can see I'm not getting the right odds to call for my straight draw here. If I'd known UTG1 was limping A,A I could have been pretty sure of extra implied odds. Since I didn't know this, is my call bad? Or can I assume if I hit, villain will probably bet/call again since he limped pf and then bet?

      Also, do I need to discount 2 of my straight outs for :club: flush draw?

      Thanks
  • 4 replies
    • alejandrosh
      alejandrosh
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.07.2008 Posts: 4,346
      Discount just 1 out imo, not that likely he has something like a pair and FD with the Ace of clubs already there.

      You need a lot of implied odds to justify a call there, I don't like it since it's almost pot size and you are only buying one card.
    • dandycal
      dandycal
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.10.2008 Posts: 1,711
      Hi Tim,

      The pot on flop is too small and his bet is too large. You'd need 5:1 pot odds to call there, and you are really far from that. Besides, it's a freeplay and you have invested no money, so it's an easy fold.

      I also think that discounting 1 out from your FD should be enough there.
    • TroubleMaker23
      TroubleMaker23
      Bronze
      Joined: 23.08.2008 Posts: 113
      Originally posted by dandycal
      Hi Tim,

      The pot on flop is too small and his bet is too large. You'd need 5:1 pot odds to call there, and you are really far from that. Besides, it's a freeplay and you have invested no money, so it's an easy fold.

      I also think that discounting 1 out from your FD should be enough there.
      i agree... its a marginal spot
    • ysessa
      ysessa
      Basic
      Joined: 11.07.2008 Posts: 1,331
      only 6 clean outs fold flop i dont give myself the needed implieds plus some reverse implieds


      Best Regards

      Ysessa