Standard Lines - Advanced: questions

    • rhens
      Joined: 22.05.2008 Posts: 62
      I'm having some problems with "Standard Lines - Advanced" (Gold article).

      Page 1, Intention with Made Hands:

      Example 2: Villain: (20, 14, 1.5, 33)

      Pre-flop: Hero is BB with 3 :heart: A :heart:
      2 folds, BU raises, 2 folds, Hero calls.

      Flop: (4.5 SB) 3 :diamond: , 9 :spade: , K :heart:
      Hero checks, BU bets, Hero calls

      On dry boards against opponents with a low Went to Showdown value, it is rather improbable to be called down to the showdown with worse hands, while holding middle or bottom pair.
      So we play call flop here, instead of check/raise flop, bet turn.
      But generally, what is the line afterwards if we don't improve? Calldown?

      Page 2, Examples with Made Hands:

      EXAMPLE 3

      Pre-flop: Hero is BU with J :diamond: 8 :diamond:
      2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls.

      Flop: (4.5 SB) 6 :diamond: , 9 :spade: , J :heart:
      BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero?

      Turn: (3.25 BB) 4 :spade:

      The standard line IP without initiative is call flop, raise turn. Against which opponents are the criteria for playing the standard move fulfilled here?
      We do have initiative here, right?

      edit: I hope it's ok to post these small excerpts of the article here...
  • 3 replies
    • ciRith
      Joined: 25.03.2005 Posts: 18,556
      Hi rhens,

      you are correct. Maybe you could report these hands as the first is lacking in what do to postturn and the second is just a little mistake (it's with initiative).

      Hand 1 is interesting. I don't like to calldown such a passive opponent. I think check/calling the flop and turn is fine (check/raise when improved).
      If he bets the river again you are almost always beat as he has to give you a hand too so he will give up a bluff pretty often (so donkbet river if you improve).
    • rhens
      Joined: 22.05.2008 Posts: 62
      Thank you for your explanation, ciRith.

      I have reported these examples.
    • Huckebein
      Joined: 02.09.2007 Posts: 1,136
      hi, hero doesn't have the initiative, because villain raises us. but there was another error in the hand, because hero calls after the raise. it is fixed now. thank you :)