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[NL2] Set of 10's in a multiway pot

    • DannyHorsley
      DannyHorsley
      Silver
      Joined: 03.12.2014 Posts: 47
      Hi all,

      So I flopped a set of 10's in a multiway pot with three other opponents on a rainbow flop with two overcards. Happy days. Action is checked around to me and I make a value bet for just over 1/2 the pot. The pre flop raiser who is behind me in UTG+1 calls and everybody else folds. At this point I think that he could be calling with top pair, J10+ or any queen to give him an OESD. I am however beat by JJ, KK or QA which I fell are all in his range as pre flop raiser, however his check on the flop makes me feel a little better. Turn comes and it doesn't change anything with 6d, so I make another bet this time 2/3 of the pot. He calls and river comes 8s. I make a final bet of nearly a full pot and villain folds. I suspect that he had a queen and was looking for a straight, or maybe even an ace and playing a bit fishy.

      Could I have played this any differently? Did I bet flop/turn too aggressively with the potential straight out there. Also could I have got more value on the river with a smaller bet? Id love to hear your thoughts.


      888 Poker - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BB: 102 BB (VPIP: 15.06, PFR: 10.08, 3Bet Preflop: 2.38, Hands: 240)
      UTG: 86 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 30.77, Hands: 32)
      UTG+1: 110 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
      Hero (MP): 100 BB
      MP+1: 110 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
      CO: 40 BB (VPIP: 6.40, PFR: 3.20, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 127)
      BTN: 53 BB (VPIP: 9.76, PFR: 9.43, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 303)
      SB: 110.5 BB (VPIP: 15.57, PFR: 7.44, 3Bet Preflop: 2.38, Hands: 123)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T:diamond: T:heart:

      fold, UTG+1 raises to 3.5 BB, Hero calls 3.5 BB, MP+1 calls 3.5 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 3 BB, fold

      Flop: (15 BB, 4 players) J:heart: T:club: K:spade:
      SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 8 BB, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls 8 BB

      Turn: (31 BB, 2 players) 6:diamond:
      UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 20 BB, UTG+1 calls 20 BB

      River: (71 BB, 2 players) 8:spade:
      UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 68.5 BB and is all-in, fold

      Hero wins 67 BB
  • 5 replies
    • Fanko
      Fanko
      Bronze
      Joined: 24.08.2010 Posts: 1,189
      Bet more on the flop so you have easier shove on the river.
    • DannyHorsley
      DannyHorsley
      Silver
      Joined: 03.12.2014 Posts: 47
      Good point. I made a smaller bet on the flop as I did not want to have everybody fold.
    • RubbyDubby
      RubbyDubby
      Silver
      Joined: 15.02.2018 Posts: 193
      The will never fold or the will fold to every bet there one the flop. There is no in between I think.
    • la55i
      la55i
      Moderator
      Moderator
      Joined: 27.01.2013 Posts: 7,915
      It is a dangerous board and you bet multiway so you should have good fold equity. So it might be true that they either have something good that calls or they fold. I like the idea of sizing up the bets a bit to have a smaller river shove. But as played I think this is fine and I wouldn't start sizing the river bet down and leave just a few blinds behind.
    • MrQNo
      MrQNo
      Gold
      Joined: 30.09.2006 Posts: 2,042
      Originally posted by DannyHorsley
      I made a smaller bet on the flop as I did not want to have everybody fold.
      That seems to be a mild form of masochism ;-) There are Q in the range of each of your opponents, with 8 outs for the straight. Each A has a gutshot, each 9 has a gutshot, 97s has a double gutshot. You can hope for AJ, AK, because if they hit trips, they will go broke against your full. But the straight outs AR a problem. Against one opponent, you can ignore it. Multiway, they are a threat. So you WANT some folds otf. I would bet at least 12 bb, perhaps up to 15.