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[NL2] (FR) AQo - Hands not suitable for multiway pots played OOP

    • pguest
      pguest
      Silver
      Joined: 01.04.2009 Posts: 1,755
      Most of the time, when I have a hand PF that doesn't play well MW OTF, it's not a monster and I'm at the blinds, I don't know if I should raise or if simply complete/call and hope for a miraculous-flop-that-wont-ever-happen.

      For example, this hand:

      $0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players

      CO: 103 BB (VPIP: 6.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
      BTN: 75 BB (VPIP: 36.98, PFR: 13.31, 3Bet Preflop: 0.61, Hands: 490)
      Hero (SB): 110 BB
      BB: 40 BB
      UTG: 122 BB (VPIP: 47.50, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
      UTG+1: 89.5 BB (VPIP: 32.50, PFR: 2.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
      MP: 36 BB (VPIP: 27.00, PFR: 16.97, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 440)

      Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:club: A:heart:

      UTG calls 1 BB, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, CO calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, BB calls 7 BB, UTG calls 7 BB, fold, fold, fold

      Flop: (27 BB, 3 players) 4:diamond: K:spade: 3:club:
      Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks

      Turn: (27 BB, 3 players) 8:spade:
      Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks

      River: (27 BB, 3 players) 2:spade:
      Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks

      Hero shows Q:club: A:heart: (High Card, Ace)
      (Pre 36%, Flop 42%, Turn 46%)
      BB shows Q:spade: A:club: (High Card, Ace)
      (Pre 36%, Flop 42%, Turn 46%)
      UTG mucks 7:club: A:diamond: (High Card, Ace)
      (Pre 28%, Flop 17%, Turn 7%)
      Hero wins 13 BB
      BB wins 12.5 BB


      The problem of not raising here PF, IMHO, is: which kind of board am I hoping to hit OTF and which worst hands would pay me off?
      An A-high dry flop where no one is betting/raising and worst TPs or middle pairs would pay me? And have to play this OOP? :f_frown:

      Or by calling PF am I hoping to hit the perfect flop? In the case of AQo, for example, a made str8, top 2 pair, trips...

      I have the same questions when playing AJo in that spot PF or something like TT-JJ: they aren't weak enough to fold, they don't look weak enough to play PF passively, but they don't look strong enough to play the post flop as top or overpairs, being OOP and against more than 2 opponents.
  • 2 replies
    • RubbyDubby
      RubbyDubby
      Silver
      Joined: 15.02.2018 Posts: 193
      Nein! Never call with that type of hand there. Fold or raise!

      Look what you did... by just raising PF and checking it down you won 5BB!

      You're ahead of almost everything except AK AA (QQ) KK and smaller pairs (there it's about a coinflip).
    • la55i
      la55i
      Moderator
      Moderator
      Joined: 27.01.2013 Posts: 7,897
      Absolutely raise pre flop. And on this kind of flops you could (but you don't have to) just bet 10bb and give up if someone calls. But I can tell you that they are folding A LOT, if they don't have a K.