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[NL2] 33 All-in, after folds...

    • sc2zerker
      sc2zerker
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      Joined: 21.12.2012 Posts: 205
      $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
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      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter

      Stacks:
      UTG Pawlo1218 ($0.35) 18bb
      UTG+1 armen1010999 ($4.71) 236bb
      CO rotten_soul ($4.91) 246bb
      BTN amazingartem ($2) 100bb
      SB YukiteruVH ($2) 100bb
      BB Hero ($7.47) 374bb

      Pre-Flop: (0.03, 6 players) Hero is BB :3c: :3h:
      Pawlo1218 calls $0.02,
      armen1010999 calls $0.02,
      1 fold,
      amazingartem raises to $0.10,
      1 fold, Hero calls $0.08,
      Pawlo1218 goes all-in $0.35,
      armen1010999 folds,
      amazingartem folds,
      Hero calls $0.25

      Do you think there's value, to call an all-in vs a short stack, when every one else's folds after placing cash into the pot?

      33 isn't an ideal all in.. but i figure vs most high cards its a chop... but vs high pairs its a lose....
  • 11 replies
    • la55i
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      This looks close to a coinflip for me. I believe villain can shove quite many hands that have just 2 high cards. Since there is already money in the pot, I think calling should be profitable. Or at least very close to it.

      What you are asking can be solved with a calculator and equilab. We can calculate that you need to win this just 30% of the time to break even. Now you can put villain on a range and see if you get that much equity.

      Here is an example:

      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 42.61% 41.90% 0.71% { 3h3c }
      MP3 57.39% 56.68% 0.71% { 22+, A2s+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }

      You can play with the ranges and see how it goes.
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
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      You are dealing with a limp shove and then it’s tricky to give him hands that you will beat, but he could be on tilt off course, but without any reads or stats is difficult to call here.

      Cheers,
      SDK1987
    • Alleen86
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      I also think calling would be close to being profitable. Maybe we could even skip that preflop call when the shorstack with a shovable stack is still in the hand because we will have less implied odds for two reasons:
      1) recreational is not full-stacked, so we will earn less money from him on average when we hit a set
      2) he will shove more often with this stack size, so we will have to fold or have a hard time calling
    • sc2zerker
      sc2zerker
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      Originally posted by la55i
      This looks close to a coinflip for me. I believe villain can shove quite many hands that have just 2 high cards. Since there is already money in the pot, I think calling should be profitable. Or at least very close to it.

      What you are asking can be solved with a calculator and equilab. We can calculate that you need to win this just 30% of the time to break even. Now you can put villain on a range and see if you get that much equity.

      Here is an example:

      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 42.61% 41.90% 0.71% { 3h3c }
      MP3 57.39% 56.68% 0.71% { 22+, A2s+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }

      You can play with the ranges and see how it goes.
      Hey thanks for the reply,

      I'm kind've a noob, can you link me to a tutorial.. I'm not quite sure how to do the math.
    • RubbyDubby
      RubbyDubby
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      YouTube search for 'the poker bank' Tons of this stuff..
    • LacsapR
      LacsapR
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      Don't think that we habe a coin flip here vs limp shove. I'd fold
    • la55i
      la55i
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      Originally posted by sc2zerker
      Originally posted by la55i
      This looks close to a coinflip for me. I believe villain can shove quite many hands that have just 2 high cards. Since there is already money in the pot, I think calling should be profitable. Or at least very close to it.

      What you are asking can be solved with a calculator and equilab. We can calculate that you need to win this just 30% of the time to break even. Now you can put villain on a range and see if you get that much equity.

      Here is an example:

      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 42.61% 41.90% 0.71% { 3h3c }
      MP3 57.39% 56.68% 0.71% { 22+, A2s+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }

      You can play with the ranges and see how it goes.
      Hey thanks for the reply,

      I'm kind've a noob, can you link me to a tutorial.. I'm not quite sure how to do the math.
      I just actually made a video about basic poker math. You can find it here.
    • la55i
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      Originally posted by LacsapR
      Don't think that we habe a coin flip here vs limp shove. I'd fold
      Ture, might not be a coinflip. But we need to win this just over 30% of the time. If villain's range is QQ+,AK we will still be break even.
    • nitrol
      nitrol
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      The one good thing is that we close the action. If there were still players to act we sould be folding.
    • RubbyDubby
      RubbyDubby
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      Originally posted by LacsapR
      Don't think that we habe a coin flip here vs limp shove. I'd fold
      Me too. Forgot about that one
    • LacsapR
      LacsapR
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      Originally posted by la55i
      Originally posted by LacsapR
      Don't think that we habe a coin flip here vs limp shove. I'd fold
      Ture, might not be a coinflip. But we need to win this just over 30% of the time. If villain's range is QQ+,AK we will still be break even.
      Well OK that is not obvious. Interesting to see this after calculations.