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[NL10] Call or fold to shove after i 4bet in covsbtn situation???

    • ojorge
      Joined: 12.07.2008 Posts: 21
      Can someone give me clear indication on how to approach those situations??? I get 3bet a lot when am oop. I I tend to 4bet qq from mp vs btn or jj/ak/a5s when am on co vs btn 3bet. But when they shove over me what do I do??? Is there any article or books that talks about that???

      888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 138.8 BB (VPIP: 26.74, PFR: 17.44, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 90)
      SB: 108 BB (VPIP: 20.93, PFR: 16.28, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 43)
      BB: 29.6 BB (VPIP: 25.80, PFR: 15.07, 3Bet Preflop: 4.69, Hands: 363)
      UTG: 112.5 BB (VPIP: 28.85, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 53)
      MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.57, PFR: 15.49, 3Bet Preflop: 5.41, Hands: 1,485)
      Hero (CO): 93.5 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:heart: A:diamond:

      fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 30.1 BB, BTN raises to 138.8 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 63.4 BB and is all-in

      Flop: (188.5 BB, 2 players) 9:club: T:spade: Q:spade:

      Turn: (188.5 BB, 2 players) K:spade:

      River: (188.5 BB, 2 players) 2:diamond:

      BTN shows K:diamond: K:club: (Three of a Kind, Kings)
      (Pre 70%, Flop 72%, Turn 91%)
      Hero shows K:heart: A:diamond: (One Pair, Kings)
      (Pre 30%, Flop 28%, Turn 9%)
      BTN wins 179.1 BB
  • 3 replies
    • DecMate
      Joined: 25.01.2009 Posts: 1,535
      There's a ton of material on 3bet pots.
      In general a rule of thumb I use is call 3bets with AK / QQ, 4b only KK/AA plus some A5s type of hands IF you think they're 3betting you loose. No need to get tricky.
      Keep it simple, stick to what you know. This spot is standard and the fact you're reacting to it with such contempt indicates a lack of experience (but correct me if i'm wrong).
      Perhaps drop down a couple limits for the time being and iron out spots like this. Also, why aren't you sat with 100bb?
    • la55i
      Joined: 27.01.2013 Posts: 8,235
      I would say there are 2 approaches

      1) Theoretically you should call roughly 50% of your 4betting range when you face a 5bet jam, so villain can't exploit you well

      2) you put villain on a range, see how much equity you have, calculate how much you need and see if you should call or not

      The first one might not be so good here because you probably don't have balanced 4betting range and villain likely doesn't 5bet bluff that often.
      If we use the second method we can see that there is about 125 in the pot and you have to call 63, so you need to win about 34% to make a profitable call. Then you open equilab and put villain on a range.
    • ojorge
      Joined: 12.07.2008 Posts: 21
      I Like your approaches, thanks!