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Showtime poker

    • VorpalF2F
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      By now I'm sure everyone has received the email about Showtime Hold'em

      Here's a screenshot of the flop in such a game...



      I'll try to describe it:
      U opens 3x
      H folds 65o
      C folds 34o
      D calls
      S folds K7o
      B folds J6o
      Flop is :Qs: :9h: :Jd:

      So everyone at the table knows that there is a J out -- limiting the possibility that UTG has one.
      There are no Queens folded
      The folded K limits straights slightly

      I'm not sure what happens if everyone folds to your river bet -- do they always get to see your cards?
      Do you get to see what they hero-folded?

      I'm not sure how I feel about this. On first blush it seems like another PokerStars gimmick -- and like all of their gimmicks, there are going to be people who catch on quick and make money from it.

      Hmmm...
      VS
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    • metalmonkey80
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      Had a go today and certainly not a fan yet! Found it a little crazy and gave up after 2 bi loss. You don't get to see hero hand if winner of the pot.
    • VorpalF2F
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      i'll be playing this again today after the home games.

      Some things are definitely weird:
      :diamond:   you can only buy in with 40 BB
      :diamond:   If you fold on the river, the winner still gets to see your cards, but...
      :diamond:   If you go to showdown, the replayer doesn't show the losing hand if the loser called the bet, only if the losing hand was the player who opened the betting on the river.

      With a 40BB stack, it might be tempting to try to play a short-stack strategy or mid-stack strategy, but one of the principles of those was that they were meant to be played against those playing full stacks.

      I'm not sure how I can adjust my strategy, but I play it rather like stud -- folding hands where my outs are visible. If you are in the BB, and heads up vs a BN raise, you can see 8 cards, which leaves only 42 unknowns in the deck. I'm sure that there is someone, somewhere at this moment, doing a lot of math.

      Cheers,
      VS
    • SDK1987
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      It’s a good format if you want to calculate the changes you will win, but I didn’t play it yet.

      Cheers,
      SDK1987
    • VorpalF2F
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      Originally posted by SDK1987
      It’s a good format if you want to calculate the changes you will win, but I didn’t play it yet.
      I played the $2.00 BI version for about an hour on my stream on Friday.
      Here is one of the hands...
      Note that PT4 doesn't show the folded cards, which is too bad.
      They are not in the raw hand history either...

      PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BTN): $3.82
      SB: $2.63 (46.15/30.77/0.00/13 (V/P/3/H)
      BB: $2.43 (29.03/22.58/0.00/32 (V/P/3/H)

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has :Jd: :Jh:

      Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, fold

      Flop: ($0.35, 2 players) :Qd: :4c: :Td:
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($0.35, 2 players) :Js:
      SB bets $0.21, Hero raises to $0.69, SB calls $0.48

      River: ($1.73, 2 players) :Tc:
      SB checks, Hero bets $1.78, fold

      BB mucks :2d: :4h: (Two Pair, Tens and Fours)

      SB mucks :Ks: :Qh: (Two Pair, Queens and Tens)

      Hero wins $1.66
      Rake paid $0.07

      I'll play some more of this on Monday after PokerStrategy.com the home games

      All the best,
      VS
    • VorpalF2F
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      Oh hang on -- the folded cards are shown in the hand history.
      Note that both the BB and SB shows mucked hands, but only SB was still in at showdown.

      Nifty...
      VS
    • SDK1987
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      That’s seems logic, but if you would want feedback on those hands you can always post the mucked hands for a good analyze of this format.
    • VorpalF2F
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      I think that I have tightened up a bit -- for example, I folded KQo on the button because a K and a Q had already been folded. I have also folded suited connectors because outs have been removed.

      I think that Equilab will help here.
      Just put the standard ranges in, then put the folded cards in the "dead cards" window, to get an idea of your equity.

      Cheers,
      VS