[NL20-NL50] squeeze with JJ

    • Talic
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      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      SB ($39.78)
      Hero ($50)
      UTG ($57.38)
      UTG+1 ($69.54)
      CO ($57.13)
      BTN ($50)

      Dealt to Hero J:heart: J:club:

      UTG calls $0.50, fold, CO raises to $2.50, BTN calls $2.50, SB calls $2.25, Hero raises to $12.50, fold, CO raises to $35, fold, fold, fold,

      CO wins $30.50

      I think thats arent needed

      call pf.?
  • 14 replies
    • BogdanDin7
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      Fold
    • veriz
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      After such a big raise, you are definitely behind. So I prefer also to fold.
    • Talic
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      Q: is call pf. or squueze,

      lol
    • BogdanDin7
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      nvm ^^
    • Balanarm
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      Once you squeeze with JJ you can't fold, don't you ever squeeze-fold JJ for sure, too strong hand to do that, you can also then squeeze with 72o with the same success.
    • caltabiano
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      Originally posted by Balanarm
      Once you squeeze with JJ you can't fold, don't you ever squeeze-fold JJ for sure, too strong hand to do that, you can also then squeeze with 72o with the same success.
      +1.
      I'd never sq/f TT, JJ, AQ. If you wanna squeeze with these hands, be ready to call a shove or shove it yourself.
    • Talic
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      Originally posted by caltabiano
      Originally posted by Balanarm
      Once you squeeze with JJ you can't fold, don't you ever squeeze-fold JJ for sure, too strong hand to do that, you can also then squeeze with 72o with the same success.
      +1.
      I'd never sq/f TT, JJ, AQ. If you wanna squeeze with these hands, be ready to call a shove or shove it yourself.
      and do you squeeze or ccall pf.?
    • caltabiano
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      I squeeze. Very healthy pot :D
    • Talic
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      Originally posted by caltabiano
      I squeeze
      why are you not on skype?
    • Michailewic
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      I also prefer a squeeze. Nice spot here with two cold callers. Most of the times there will be overcards on the flop and in such case you cannot play JJ against 3 opponents.

      I like squeeze/fold agaisnt the unknown. And correct move of CO should be shove (raise to $35 against effective stack of $50?) since he is committed any way. It seems to me that he is inviting you to call or shove.


      Originally posted by Balanarm
      you can also then squeeze with 72o with the same success.
      I do not agree since when you squeeze you might be called sometimes and your playability with 72o sucks even against one opponent which is not the case of jacks.
    • Balanarm
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      Originally posted by Michailewic
      I also prefer a squeeze. Nice spot here with two cold callers. Most of the times there will be overcards on the flop and in such case you cannot play JJ against 3 opponents.

      I like squeeze/fold agaisnt the unknown. And correct move of CO should be shove (raise to $35 against effective stack of $50?) since he is committed any way. It seems to me that he is inviting you to call or shove.


      Originally posted by Balanarm
      you can also then squeeze with 72o with the same success.
      I do not agree since when you squeeze you might be called sometimes and your playability with 72o sucks even against one opponent which is not the case of jacks.
      No, I of course meant squeezing vs tags who either 4bet or fold, you get squeeze calls very seldom. You are right about that specific situation tho.
    • Talic
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      youre guys right about that 72o would have the same effect, but I still dont see me calling shove


      ...well because noone cares and noone is judging here we will never know
    • darkonebg
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      Originally posted by Talic
      youre guys right about that 72o would have the same effect, but I still dont see me calling shove


      ...well because noone cares and noone is judging here we will never know
      Dont dramatise pls!
      Of course you can squeeze/fold profitably, and of course it isnt the same as 72o.
      Your further actions depend on who is 4betting also, overcall/4bet is a strange line and I may be inclined to call a shove, but the original raiser shoving usually means strenght and you have a coinflip at best.
      NH.
    • Balanarm
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      Originally posted by darkonebg
      Originally posted by Talic
      youre guys right about that 72o would have the same effect, but I still dont see me calling shove


      ...well because noone cares and noone is judging here we will never know
      Dont dramatise pls!
      Of course you can squeeze/fold profitably, and of course it isnt the same as 72o.
      Your further actions depend on who is 4betting also, overcall/4bet is a strange line and I may be inclined to call a shove, but the original raiser shoving usually means strenght and you have a coinflip at best.
      NH.
      Not this big squeeze for sure with JJ, because noone flats such big squeezes(usually).