[NL2-NL10] NL25_QJ Steal from Button

    • TheBu11d0g
      TheBu11d0g
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      Was this the correct play to make by pushing on the flop

      FullTilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
      Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

      MP3: $3.27 (13.1 bb)
      CO: $35.43 (141.7 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $4.65 (18.6 bb)
      SB: $26.66 (106.6 bb)
      BB: $16.86 (67.4 bb)
      UTG+2: $3.17 (12.7 bb)
      MP1: $8.60 (34.4 bb)
      MP2: $28.11 (112.4 bb)

      Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with Q:diamond: J:diamond:
      UTG+2 calls $0.25, 4 folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.75

      Flop: ($2.35) 5:diamond: T:spade: J:spade: (2 players)
      UTG+2 bets $1, Hero raises to $3, UTG+2 calls $1.17 and is all-in

      Turn: ($6.69) A:spade: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($6.69) 7:diamond: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
  • 5 replies
    • Nunki
      Nunki
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      Joined: 25.10.2006 Posts: 865
      Originally posted by TheBu11d0g
      Was this the correct play to make by pushing on the flop

      Yes.

      1) Your flop push would be only marginally EV- if you knew that villain had AA since your hand has almost enough suckout-potential.

      2)It makes no sense to raise PF and then fold after hitting a flop. (BTW, QJs is a lot better than it looks when the money is so shallow since you will likely have to take it to SD often.)

      If there was any mistake made in this hand then it is most likely PF.
    • TheBu11d0g
      TheBu11d0g
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      Hey Nunki,

      What would be the mistake preflop (PF) if ya dont mind saying.

      Regards,
      -Steve
    • Nunki
      Nunki
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      Joined: 25.10.2006 Posts: 865
      Originally posted by TheBu11d0g
      Hey Nunki,

      What would be the mistake preflop (PF) if ya dont mind saying.

      Regards,
      -Steve
      Eg. QJs HU is a coinflip versus top 40% of all hands. Therefore if some donkey open-limps the top 35% of all hands and never folds to either our open-raise or cbet then raising PF is a mistake.

      I know that this is a bit of a conrtived example but the point is that with the money so shallow your QJs will too often need to see a SD. You will also get shoved on a fair bit PF. There are also two players left to act PF.
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      To be honest, without Stats I openfold QJs even though it may sounds strange but for the sake of effective stacks, UTG2 is pwning you if he limp/3bets because you are flipping at best.

      Since his small is so small and you have TPGK, I'd shove it as you did.

      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • TheBu11d0g
      TheBu11d0g
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      Joined: 25.07.2008 Posts: 2,019
      Hey guys,

      I appreciate all your answers and suggestions as that it what will make me a better player.

      Regards,
      -Steve