[NL20-NL50] NL50, stacking off like a fish ;)

    • kukkiwonBG
      kukkiwonBG
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      I think that I played this hand very bad but still I need to learn :(
      Villain is unknown, but he was running in 16 hands:
      50/19 with 50 ATS and 50 WTS and was very fishy from what I seen.
      He had limp/call 100% (3 hands)

      I know that I don't beat nothing when I shove the flop, but he will be left with 2/3 SPR and I was thinking there that is to week to fold BPNK, BDSD and FD vs. the fish...

      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      saw flop

      BB ($54.21)
      UTG ($78.26)
      MP ($38.25)
      Hero (Button) ($49.75)
      SB ($49)

      Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, 8
      1 fold, MP calls $0.50, Hero bets $2, 2 folds, MP calls $1.50

      Flop: ($4.75) 10, A, 8 (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $3, MP raises $13.75, Hero raises $44.75 (All-In), MP calls $22.50 (All-In)

      Turn: ($77.25) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

      River: ($77.25) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

      Total pot: $77.25
  • 15 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
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      I would just give up the flop, can't even continue with my one lowest pair and flushdraw. There is no point shoving into fishy player, you have no fold equity at all.
    • Talic
      Talic
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      Originally posted by veriz
      I would just give up the flop, can't even continue with my one lowest pair and flushdraw. There is no point shoving into fishy player, you have no fold equity at all.
      thats very untrue.

      you are flipping against TP and like 41:59 against 2 pair and 30:70 against set.

      fold is out of question
    • caltabiano
      caltabiano
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      Originally posted by Talic
      Originally posted by veriz
      I would just give up the flop, can't even continue with my one lowest pair and flushdraw. There is no point shoving into fishy player, you have no fold equity at all.
      thats very untrue.

      you are flipping against TP and like 41:59 against 2 pair and 30:70 against set.

      fold is out of question
      +1

      I'm going broke here
    • kukkiwonBG
      kukkiwonBG
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      Thanks guys for the feedback...
    • Talic
      Talic
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      I think shove is bad but call is also bad, but fold is even worse, giving his small stacksize I prefer shove
    • kukkiwonBG
      kukkiwonBG
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      What to do then...
      Disconnect....
    • BogdanDin7
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      No way you can call there. It`s a shove/fold situation for me. Against him i`m still shoving I think , against full stack I`m more inclined to fold, if deep no doubt fold
    • Talic
      Talic
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      Originally posted by BogdanDin7
      No way you can call there. It`s a shove/fold situation for me. Against him i`m still shoving I think , against full stack I`m more inclined to fold, if deep no doubt fold
      of course you can call against fullstack fish, youre getting 2:1 odds on your money (which are bad odds obv. but you can extract value if you hit)
    • Balanarm
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      Well, after his big raise you have no FE obviously, but you are favoyrite (52 to 48) against an ace which he often has there, so it's +EV already + big pot already.
    • kukkiwonBG
      kukkiwonBG
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      Judge....
    • Talic
      Talic
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      Originally posted by Balanarm
      Well, after his big raise you have no FE obviously, but you are favoyrite (52 to 48) against an ace which he often has there, so it's +EV already + big pot already.
      I agree but still I think he has here 2 pair, sets more often than TP (+5% rake!), but fold is out of question as I said earlier
    • BogdanDin7
      BogdanDin7
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      Originally posted by Talic
      Originally posted by BogdanDin7
      No way you can call there. It`s a shove/fold situation for me. Against him i`m still shoving I think , against full stack I`m more inclined to fold, if deep no doubt fold
      of course you can call against fullstack fish, youre getting 2:1 odds on your money (which are bad odds obv. but you can extract value if you hit)
      He has 22 left. So you would have to call 10$ and assuming he will stack himself on a club turn and that he doesn`t have any kind of redraws with sets pr two pairs you win 42. However this is only best case scenario , and even so you don`t have proper odds to call I think.

      And anyway if you want to still play the pot shove is better imo.
    • darkonebg
      darkonebg
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      First , lets get it clear, fold is out of the question.
      Call is bad, against deeper opponents it might be ok, but with a combo holding(draw+pair)

      your goal is to get it in.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      I don't get the point of pushing here? Could you guys explain me please.

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 54,146% 54,141% 0,009% 45,850% TT, 88, A8s+, A8o+
      Player 2: 45,854% 45,850% 0,009% 54,141% 8s7s

      We are far away from winning if we put the hand into equilator. It's not even gambling.
    • darkonebg
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      His Ax range is bigger.
      + he could be always (semi)bluffing.
      Add the FE that we receive from the weaker aces and its a clear +ev situation.