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[NL5] Facing pre flop 3bet with JJ

    • DannyHorsley
      DannyHorsley
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.12.2014 Posts: 191
      888 Poker - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 7 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (CO): 170.6 BB
      BTN: 114.6 BB (VPIP: 25.53, PFR: 7.45, 3Bet Preflop: 4.30, Hands: 190)
      SB: 77.6 BB (VPIP: 12.55, PFR: 9.14, 3Bet Preflop: 4.29, Hands: 974)
      BB: 115.4 BB (VPIP: 17.82, PFR: 14.55, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 278)
      UTG: 225.2 BB (VPIP: 15.56, PFR: 11.56, 3Bet Preflop: 7.79, Hands: 227)
      UTG+1: 111.4 BB (VPIP: 18.62, PFR: 13.88, 3Bet Preflop: 5.43, Hands: 850)
      MP: 121.6 BB (VPIP: 31.18, PFR: 13.98, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 94)

      SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J:heart: J:diamond:

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB raises to 13 BB, Hero raises to 28 BB, fold, BB calls 15 BB

      I almost want to ignore this play due to how bad I see it was now (I was tilting last night after a long grind and a few bad beats). But wanted to focus on 4betting in general. Here villain is folding to a steal attempt 55% of the time. Given that the BTN calls, I figured that the BB was just trying to squeeze for the dead money. What I didn't consider is that villain is only 3betting 4% of the time (sample is too small to look at 3bet vs CO open but it was 1/7).

      4betting is still a big leak of mine pre flop. Initially I didn't do it enough (like 1.3%) so I made a conscious effort to 4bet more. However now I feel that I am 4betting too often (5.92%), since making the adjustment to my play.

      What is the optimal 4bet frequency for fullring and how do I find more suitable spots? It's surely not just a case of "I have a monster, I must 4bet" because that would be to easy and exploitable. How do we use 4bet as an exploitative play ourself? E.g. against a reg that is 3betting way too often against us or when we make an open raise with a half decent hand such as AQ from the BTN and one of the blinds 3bets us?

      I am going to go search for some content to improve for sure, but wanted to get your guys' input too.
  • 2 replies
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
      Moderator
      Moderator
      Joined: 12.11.2008 Posts: 39,320
      I prefer calling pre-flop with JJ. Especially against a tight 3better like him. Lucky for you he isn’t 5bet shoving, but than you had an easy fold. Post-flop will be tricky and if there aren’t any over cards you can Cbet and if he shoves on you it will be a disgusting spot.

      Cheers,
      SDK1987
    • CucumbaMan
      CucumbaMan
      Silver
      Joined: 13.10.2017 Posts: 290
      I think it is enough to just 4-bet for value in these pots, like the obvious monsters (QQ+, AKo+), and with JJ is also prefer just to call here. I don't think it is that necessary to have a 4-bet bluff range on the micros.