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[NL5] River decision

    • MLima1984
      MLima1984
      Bronze
      Joined: 19.05.2015 Posts: 34
      No Limit Hold'em €0,02/€0,05
      PokerStars
      5 players

      Stacks:
      UTG - UTG (€3,80) vpi 52 pfr6 fold to c bet on flop 33 turn + river 0 wts 47%
      CO - CO (€6,12)
      BTN - BTN (€7,21)
      SB - Hero (€6,12)
      BB - BB (€5,33)

      Preflop: (€0,07, 5 players) Hero is SB with A:spade: J:heart:
      UTG calls €0,05, CO calls €0,05, 1 fold, Hero raises to €0,20, 1 fold, UTG calls €0,15, CO calls €0,15

      Flop: T:club: J:club: T:spade: (€0,65, 3 players)
      Hero bets €0,41, UTG calls €0,41, CO calls €0,41

      Turn: 6:spade: (€1,88, 3 players)
      Hero bets €1,19, UTG calls €1,19, 1 fold

      River: 7:club: (€4,26, 2 players)
      Hero bets €1,00, UTG raises to €2,00 (all-in), Hero calls €1,00

      Total Pot: €8,26
      UTG shows 3:club: 9:club: (a flush, Jack high)
      Hero shows A:spade: J:heart: (two pair, Jacks and Tens)

      UTG wins €7,85


      Anyway, i think the villain hadn't a T or a full house, because he was playing passive. So i think that he
      a) was fishing for the FD
      b) a PP that he hopes to be enough to win
      c)or, since his WTS % is high, there may be a chance the villain may have some higher card that he is hoping to get or a worst J (less likely i think)

      OTR decision:
      Should i just check/fold since the river card completes a st8 (i failed to miss it during the play) a fd and also because of the double T?
      Since i raised is the river call acceptable or is it just a waist of €€?

      i was kinda tilted because of a beat i had earlier, so im afraid that it might have blurred my judgement.
  • 10 replies
    • Willy411
      Willy411
      Bronze
      Joined: 24.07.2014 Posts: 181
      As played, he called limp pf, I like to go for max value. He can check river behind often with 99, 88- I think that hands can still just call pf, cause fish - Jx.
      Raise..He beats us almost all times but I think, we should have to call it. It's just 1:7.
      I like all sizings.

      But wait for more answers.
    • nitrol
      nitrol
      Silver
      Joined: 24.07.2010 Posts: 12,022
      Vs 2 limpers I would raise bigger preflop.
      On river straight and flush are possible and the board is paired, so we should be folding.
    • Arnalsan
      Arnalsan
      Silver
      Joined: 15.03.2010 Posts: 579
      A:spade: J:heart: squeezing just if I know opponents have a good % to fold to it.
      I think the hand was played as an over bluff instead per value in a multiway pot! Even overpairs weren't playing well in this situation.
    • LacsapR
      LacsapR
      Silver
      Joined: 14.07.2011 Posts: 218
      Easy fold for me otr, that's the nuts move villain does 😊
    • Tonyx86
      Tonyx86
      Silver
      Joined: 28.03.2018 Posts: 124
      Bigger sizing OTT for max. protection against FDs and SDs.

      I dont see a value bet OTR. Weaker jacks shouldnt call over 3 streets but also checking behind.

      Otherwise there can be some busted draws bluffing the river. Keep those in villains range.
    • Willy411
      Willy411
      Bronze
      Joined: 24.07.2014 Posts: 181
      What do you think about calling PF? Cause very common fishy UTG calls and than call other player. And we have big 3way pot oop s non suited hands, just with high cards. I would like to hit flop and than got max value from Ax / Jx hands.
    • nitrol
      nitrol
      Silver
      Joined: 24.07.2010 Posts: 12,022
      We do not want a multiway pot with our hand. The call of the limp is not right.
    • CucumbaMan
      CucumbaMan
      Silver
      Joined: 13.10.2017 Posts: 243
      River is an easy fold, because both the straight and the flush completes. I think we can check/fold river.
    • Willy411
      Willy411
      Bronze
      Joined: 24.07.2014 Posts: 181
      Originally posted by nitrol
      We do not want a multiway pot with our hand. The call of the limp is not right.
      Okey, but what do you think about that reason that I have written?
    • nitrol
      nitrol
      Silver
      Joined: 24.07.2010 Posts: 12,022
      You should raise big and try to thin the field. If they both call you still have 2 high cards and can hit or outplay them. There are favourable boards that you can attack.