BSS contibet

    • marselio
      marselio
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      Joined: 27.01.2009 Posts: 61
      A bluff contibet against several opponents is only useful when both conditions are fulfilled: a suitable flop + your opponents can be forced to fold.


      Could you plz explain how to find out wheather opponents can be forced to fold or not.
      1) what kind of his moves say about it and where to give attention
      2) what type of statistics says about it?
  • 6 replies
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,382
      1) Look at his WSD, high value = he aint folding
      2) see 1)
    • Dragar
      Dragar
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      Joined: 09.09.2008 Posts: 2,214
      For example:

      There is a flush draw.
      The board is A high.

      Your last to act and were pre-flop aggressor (out of 3), all villains do not know you.


      Since there is a flush draw and noone bet they most probably do not have A. Bet close to pot size here representing a strong A.
    • STR82ACE
      STR82ACE
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      Joined: 01.10.2008 Posts: 389
      Example 2

      You have AK and raise 4xbb preflop, get one caller in LP

      Flop comes down 884rainbow. You conti bet for 2/3 pot. Opponent folds, even if he holds a small to medium pair.

      If you show strength preflop, you should always follow through with a cbet for 1/2 to 2/3 pot no matter if you hit or not.
    • Passero
      Passero
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      Joined: 28.03.2007 Posts: 34
      Another piece of advice.

      Suppose you have 77 and there is one raiser befor you. You deside to call and everybody else folds.

      Flop 884

      Initial raiser bets 2/3 of the pot. What should you do?

      Considering the fact that a cbet is something most of the people will do you can not be sure if the flop helped him. Most of the time it didn't.

      You should not just call his cbet but raise. The amount of FE you have on raising a cbet is very big. Most of the time people will let go after a cbet raise. Only if they truly believe they have you beat they will call or reraise but in the long term a good raise on a cbet is +EV.
      But don't cbet on a flop like KQT with 77 because the change villain hit something is larger on such a board.
    • marselio
      marselio
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      Joined: 27.01.2009 Posts: 61
      But in article its written that such flop i not good for contibet?
    • STR82ACE
      STR82ACE
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      Joined: 01.10.2008 Posts: 389
      Not true. The article says that if you were the aggressor before flop, you should be aggressor after as well. You'll be surprised how many players will fold to a c/bet on the flop if you don't hit, especially on lower limits. If you were to check every flop you miss, you'll be giving your opponent the oppurtunity to take the aggressive position in the hand, and come at you, often with nothing.

      If you DO get called on your c/bet, then blank the turn, then you have to decide if your hand is worthy of muck only.

      Passero's comment about raising if you're faced with a c/bet is good, but I don't recommend doing it if you have air. You should have a hand that stands a chance of improving like strong or monster draws. Otherwise, just muck the hand.