[NL2-NL10] NL25 AQ in SB dry flop to cbet or not?

    • purplefizz
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      Everest Poker - NL Hold'em | 10 Players | $0.15 / $0.25 | Everest Grab'em

      mr-king06 ($23.15)
      Lorenzo13_13 ($76.82)
      HERO IS SB($4.35)
      MCdestructio ($5.00)
      GodModeOn ($28.25)
      12mrrumbo ($23.05)
      P36Z ($9.15)
      CallerMann ($16.65)
      egomontana74 ($43.92)
      krystofff ($9.75)

      Preflop: HERO is dealt Q, A
      2 folds, P36Z calls $0.25, 5 folds, HERO raises to $1.10, 1 fold, P36Z calls $1.00

      Flop ($2.75) (8, 4, 9) (2 Players):
      HERO raises to $1.50, P36Z raises to $7.25, HERO calls $1.60

      Turn ($13.10) (8, 4, 9, 9, 5) :


      Showdown:
      P36Z has 4, 10
      HERO has Q, A

      Final Pot: $8.95
      P36Z wins $8.55.

      hmm.. to cbet or not? to call reraise or not? i feel i did something wrong. not sure what. although a note is in order. what kind of crap is he calling with?
  • 7 replies
    • Meiffert
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      You should raise to 5 bb preflop, as there was a limper in front of you.
      On top of that you are out of possition and in that situation it's better to raise more rather than less (if you would like to deviate from 4 + 1bb per limper, lower the amount in late position first in, not in early position).

      On flop the conti-bet is a good idea, but when you want to call a raise anyway, just push all-in yourself (obviously not if the push would be some ridiculous amount like 5 times the pot, but in this case it's really ok). You get the maximum fold equity that way.
      Here you have 3.25 left on the flop and the pot is 2.75. Because there is a possible straight draw with 98, you want to bet rather bigger than smaller not to give a hand like JT good odds to call. Hence I would recommend a bet of at least 2 dolars and that is more than half of your stack, so just shove it (with a raise to 5 bb preflop this would be even easier).
    • purplefizz
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      hi meiffert. thanks for the input.
      actually i did raise exactly 5 BB. which is 0.25x5 = 1.25. But Everest is funny that way. They just put what you added so since i already put 0.15 from SB when i put 1.25, it appears my bet is 1.10.
      i was kind of hoping to win the pot with my flop bet so ur probably right that i shouldv pushed it. (no matter that he wld probably still call zeniway) :evil:
    • dandycal
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      Yep, 2/3 of 2,75 = 1,81, which is more than half your remaining 3,25.. So push OOP.
    • Gerv
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      Raise more preflop to let them pay for their position + shove the flop with 2 OCs + 2 BDs

      c/f is too weak without stats and on Nl25, c/f is generally not recommended

      - Gerv
    • purplefizz
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      how many BB u suggest i raise from SB?
    • Gerv
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      Originally posted by purplefizz
      how many BB u suggest i raise from SB?
      To 4+1 or even 4+2 to get u all-in on the Flop easily
    • mishuq
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      wow
      I've nothing interesting to say here. for real. I like this one
      perhaps I would've pushed on turn like meiffert said already just to try to push him out of the hand with AJ, AQ or AK. also the bet I'd usually mae on that pot on turn is more close to 1.80 than 1.5 $ and since that's a bit more than 1/2 of your remaining stack, it's a push

      anyway, I just wanna say that would've been the last hand I would expect to see for villain... if he keeps limp/calling with T4, your HUs against him should be a nice +EV on the long run even if he only folds on flop or raises with bottom pair/weak kicker and one backdoor. pls correct me if I'm wrong