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[NL5] River raise?

    • Tonyx86
      Tonyx86
      Silver
      Joined: 28.03.2018 Posts: 142
      Good evening,

      i think until river its pretty much standard. But OTR villain donk pots. I mean, a fold is out of any discussion. But if we raise, do we ever get called by less than a flush? It´s more likely he got sth like 54 or so. What kind of hands is villain donk betting here?

      partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 106 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 27)
      SB: 70.4 BB (VPIP: 25.45, PFR: 17.27, 3Bet Preflop: 2.38, Hands: 112)
      BB: 78.8 BB (VPIP: 10.34, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 31)
      UTG: 151.6 BB (VPIP: 19.51, PFR: 16.56, 3Bet Preflop: 9.70, Hands: 791)
      Hero (MP): 100 BB
      CO: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 20.32, PFR: 15.94, 3Bet Preflop: 4.26, Hands: 261)

      SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A:spade: 8:spade:

      fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

      Flop: (6.4 BB, 2 players) 4:club: 4:spade: 3:spade:
      BB checks, Hero bets 3 BB, BB calls 3 BB

      Turn: (12.4 BB, 2 players) 6:spade:
      BB checks, Hero bets 5.8 BB, BB calls 5.8 BB

      River: (24 BB, 2 players) 5:club:
      BB bets 22.8 BB, Hero call OR raise???
  • 9 replies
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
      Moderator
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      Joined: 12.11.2008 Posts: 39,660
      I would just call here, or you have reads he can only play a full house like this.
      He needs to over play a weaker flush or a straight or something to make a shove profitable.

      Cheers,
      SDK1987
    • Sunrise1912
      Sunrise1912
      Bronze
      Joined: 24.11.2009 Posts: 418
      I am shoving all day here. He calls with every 7, every 4 and every lower flush, mb he even calls with a random deuce.

      If he has a full house so be it but he has tons of weaker hands that he calls of with.
    • Ac3onth3riv3r
      Ac3onth3riv3r
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.02.2017 Posts: 108
      I call here. Raise is not ok on a paired board unless we have some info about villian

      But if we raise, do we ever get called by less than a flush?
      Nobody can answer you this question. You have no info. Maybe you get called, maybe you dont. Just call and take a note
    • Tonyx86
      Tonyx86
      Silver
      Joined: 28.03.2018 Posts: 142
      I'm glad we dont have a clear decision here.

      Of course he can donkbet with worse than a full, worrying to get a check behind from sets or 2pair, but i dont think he is willing to call with sets and even straights.
    • TurokRider
      TurokRider
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.10.2011 Posts: 146
      Shoving here is, imo, pointless. You will hardly ever get paid by a weaker flush (or less), so you either get the pot you already have, or you are beat by a house.

      I'm calling all day long on this paired board.
    • TurokRider
      TurokRider
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.10.2011 Posts: 146
      BTW, I don't like a raise either. Yes, you will get an easy call from some strong flushes and sets, but what if he (bluff-) shoves with those? Calling will be a tough decision.
    • Tonyx86
      Tonyx86
      Silver
      Joined: 28.03.2018 Posts: 142
      Originally posted by TurokRider
      BTW, I don't like a raise either. Yes, you will get an easy call from some strong flushes and sets, but what if he (bluff-) shoves with those? Calling will be a tough decision.
      +1

      Calling or shoving. A raise doesnt make any sense, as we're committing ourselves.

      Thx guys.
    • DecMate
      DecMate
      Silver
      Joined: 25.01.2009 Posts: 1,535
      I think I'd shove. The guy looks suspect, 73bb startin stack and as someone above said he could go broke with weaker flushes, a straight or some random 4x (OK probably not the 4x )
    • Tonyx86
      Tonyx86
      Silver
      Joined: 28.03.2018 Posts: 142
      He had A2 and i just have called.