[NL2-NL10] Nl 25 Aj

    • dandycal
      dandycal
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      Joined: 10.10.2008 Posts: 1,711
      Known players:    
      Hero:
      $4,75
      BB:
      $25,60
      UTG2:
      $14,40
      MP1:
      $23,75

      0,1/0,25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is SB with J:club: , A:club:
      UTG2 calls $0,25, MP1 calls $0,25, 4 folds, Hero raises to $1,50, BB raises to $5,00, UTG2 raises to $14,40 (All-In), MP1 folds, Hero calls $3,25 (All-In), BB calls $9,40.

      Flop: ($33,80) 4:club: , 4:spade: , J:diamond:
      Turn: ($33,80) 8:spade:
      River: ($33,80) 5:heart: (3 players)


      Final Pot: $33,80

      Push according to stack ratio. Standard?
  • 6 replies
    • dadude77
      dadude77
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      Joined: 26.10.2008 Posts: 1,516
      I fold here. I think you need <2.5x original raise to stack you have a little >3. The articles are different now, but I still think its a fold.


      This is what the articles say now.

      an opponent reraised behind you.
      TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, and AK

      So I cant check, but I believe it was 2.5 times
    • barrelhead
      barrelhead
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      Joined: 29.01.2009 Posts: 95
      Oh well, I'm probably blind, so nvm :)
    • Gafny
      Gafny
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      Joined: 05.11.2008 Posts: 337
      erm his ratio is more like 2-2.2
      against UTG2 limping and then re-reraising youre most likely calling into a monster so even with ratio being on your side i fold unless i have reads on reraisers that tells me to call :P
    • TheBu11d0g
      TheBu11d0g
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      Joined: 25.07.2008 Posts: 2,019
      Hey dandycal,

      Your push was correct according to the remaining stack:original raise ratio as you had 2.16, although wih the re-raise and re-re-raise from the BB and UTG2 you are most likely facing QQ+, AK where you will be a massive underdog so you could quite rightly fold here as well imo.

      Regards,
      -Steve
    • dadude77
      dadude77
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      Joined: 26.10.2008 Posts: 1,516
      ...... yeah, i read this really late, i was looking at your original stack size...... im dumb :D

      hahahah my bad :D
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Thinkin logically about ranges, just muck your AJs because someone 3bets and then another guy 4betshoves.

      3better has at worst AQ+,TT+
      4better has at worst QQ+,AK+

      Concerning equity you have to call [(4.75x3)+0.35 ]x0.95 :3,25
      13.87 :3.25
      4.25 :1
      =
      18.9%

      2,072,580,048 games 3.844 secs 539,172,749 games/sec

      Board:
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 18.585% 18.04% 00.55% 373799268 11380318.00 { AJs }
      Hand 1: 33.239% 30.49% 02.75% 631954812 56958466.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
      Hand 2: 48.176% 45.60% 02.58% 945041544 53445640.00 { QQ+, AKs }

      Mathematically it is on the borderline but shoving a 19bb stack for just 19% winchance is just crazy-all-in.

      Sometimes playing by the book is causing high variance and more marginal spots than if you would think outside the box.

      You see utg+2 limp/4bet which is kinda dubious.

      I prefer mucking and rebuying to 19bb again rather than shoving 19bb for 18% winchance

      Best regards,
      Gerv