[NL2-NL10] NL50 99, against UTG limpraiser

    • jenoc
      jenoc
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      UTG stats
      Hero stack 10.75

      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      SB ($8.50)
      BB ($54.70)
      UTG ($20.90)
      UTG+1 ($67.95)
      MP1 ($96.65)
      MP2 ($26)
      Hero (MP3) ($10.75)
      CO ($53.05)
      Button ($9.25)

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9, 9
      UTG calls $0.50, 3 folds, Hero bets $2.50, 4 folds, UTG raises $4, 1 fold

      Total pot: $5.75

      So annoying raising 5BB and folding. According to stack:raise ratio it's a fold, however from time to time I see people making such plays with trash- just for fun.. He needs to have a range AQ+, TT+ for me to be around break even, but I guess normally such play's are made with monsterhands? Is it ok to fold?

      Jenoc
  • 5 replies
    • purplefizz
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      folding is perfectly correct imo. nice hand.
      but i know exactly what you mean. i hate when this happens.
      and imo hardest part of SSS. still, it is better that we get our $ in the pot in a less marginal position.
    • Aimboy
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      When you play without stats it is fold. But he has vpip=36, fold to 3bet = 0%, so that's why I think push could be good idea. You can also take a look at equilations, but I'm not sure if his hand range is correct:

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 58,517% 58,080% 0,874% 41,046% 99
      Player 2: 41,483% 41,046% 0,874% 58,080% 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A6o+, K9o+, Q9o+, JTo, T9o
    • jenoc
      jenoc
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      Aimboy,

      IMHO your given range is way to loose, if that player was a solid regular, I had no doubts in folding, but as I was saying, some donks make such plays just for fun with trash, so I'm crying about that "dead" money, however I guess folding was ok.
    • purplefizz
      purplefizz
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      ive only started learning stats so im very unsure about this analysis. maybe the experienced ones can help us. but i'll take a crack at it.

      looking at preflop stats, villain is very loose but passive, preferring to limp most of the time, but rarely betting himself. is this right? pls feel free to correct me. also another related question, how many hands before i can start to trust the stats?

      aimboy might have a point.
      however, when in doubt, imo, you cant go wrong with good solid poker. :)

      its true that donks do sometime make that weird play for fun. but dont you also see them also limping those AA and KK and reraising? (hah, just bitter, happened to me twice today. :)
    • Gerv
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      Hi Jenoc,

      I see Limp 28% EP and 3bet 20% (5 cases) thus I only can give myself arguments for shoving Nines here in this spot and make a note of what the hell is doing this.

      Sure he can have monsters but I mostly think this is a marginal hand like Medium PPs and/or broadways

      Best regards,
      Gerv