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[NL10] BTN vs BB calling down TP over 3 streets?

    • Talisker74
      Talisker74
      Gold
      Joined: 17.08.2009 Posts: 1,398
      Hello again,

      i have got some problems with this hand....
      I guess pre ist standard. => if not, let me know...

      Flop:
      Hitting TP so is a clear call (hopefully i`m right, please let me know)

      Turn:
      board pairs, but i guess it is a call as well (i guess he has just A6s combos when having a 6....)

      River:
      Line seems to be very strong (r/b/b/b) => so is this a clear fold due to population read (Line is value only)
      Or can we bluff catch here vs. total bluffs (could be overplayed AK)
      I can`t imagine seeing much worse hand than my betting 3 streets than AK (16 combos)
      he can have QQ+ or a set with 33

      so what is best decision here?
      Or just fold the turn?


      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $25.25 (252.5 bb)
      BB: $11.03 (110.3 bb)
      UTG: $15.42 (154.2 bb)
      MP: $12.32 (123.2 bb)
      CO: $10.49 (104.9 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $10.10 (101 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with :Kc: :Jd:
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB folds, BB raises to $0.88, Hero calls $0.63

      Flop: ($1.81) :6d: :Jc: :3h: (2 players)
      BB bets $0.78, Hero calls $0.78

      Turn: ($3.37) :6h: (2 players)
      BB bets $1.61, Hero calls $1.61

      River: ($6.59) :Ts: (2 players)
      BB bets $3.15, Hero ???

      Thanks for reading and leaving a comment

      Slainte
      Talisker
  • 14 replies
    • pokerboy198229
      pokerboy198229
      Bronze
      Joined: 20.08.2011 Posts: 1,637
      He reaches you for some pairs or Jx so he tries to get paid. So fold is ok here. He doesnt have sets or full houses otherwise he would bet higher at river.
    • Talisker74
      Talisker74
      Gold
      Joined: 17.08.2009 Posts: 1,398
      Thanks for your meaning.

      But could he not bet quiet small to get a call with his made hands?
    • Tonyx86
      Tonyx86
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.03.2018 Posts: 142
      JT, QQ+ i would expect depending on this line.

      He obviously got a made hand and expecting u to have some Jx paying him out. He dont wanna loose value or giving free cards. Semibluffing with a draw is unlikely on a rainbow flop and paired turn board.
    • nitrol
      nitrol
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      Joined: 24.07.2010 Posts: 12,073
      It is not that standard to call 3b preflop with this hand. You can 4b/fold with it.

      As played, you can fold the river.
    • Tonyx86
      Tonyx86
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.03.2018 Posts: 142
      Originally posted by nitrol
      It is not that standard to call 3b preflop with this hand. You can 4b/fold with it.
      Thats true!

      Even IP it should be at least suited.
    • Talisker74
      Talisker74
      Gold
      Joined: 17.08.2009 Posts: 1,398
      Thank you for your advise....

      But i guess KJo is a nice defend vs. 3bet from the blinds....
      Because that must not be true...

      How is your range in BTN vs. unkwon villain?
      Even your calling range and your 4 bet range?
    • nitrol
      nitrol
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      Joined: 24.07.2010 Posts: 12,073
      4B/fold is a defend move too. You do not fold, so you defend. :)

      In stead of giving my ranges, write yours so discussion can be made.
    • KatalonacX
      KatalonacX
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      Joined: 22.11.2013 Posts: 119
      In my range KJo is 4B bluff, have good blokers and don't play well postflop and this is example. It is fold OTR, imo, no many bluffs in viliain range.
    • SiKWiThIt
      SiKWiThIt
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      Joined: 21.06.2009 Posts: 123
      Readless, C-C-F is good here. As you mentioned villain's B-B-B in a 3bet pot vs the population is a strong line. The disconnected rainbow flop gives villain even less bluffs on the river.

      KJo here I think is ok to play as a 3bet call. As others said it can also be used well as a 4bet/fold. It is up to you and how you play postflop imo.
    • Mozzek
      Mozzek
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      Joined: 16.07.2016 Posts: 1,124
      I dont know what u guys open but in my 50% stealing range is kjo a clear defend (i.call it) and its not even bottom of my range. Of course u can 4b it, but call.should be pretty ok as well. I would play call call fold postflop.
    • nitrol
      nitrol
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      Joined: 24.07.2010 Posts: 12,073
      I think you can call preflop only if you have stats or info on villain.
    • clovenhoofsdoom
      clovenhoofsdoom
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      Joined: 04.03.2016 Posts: 195
      Originally posted by Mozzek
      I dont know what u guys open but in my 50% stealing range is kjo a clear defend (i.call it) and its not even bottom of my range. Of course u can 4b it, but call.should be pretty ok as well. I would play call call fold postflop.
      +1

      Of course I fold KJo if I have stats on Villain stating that he's 3bet in BB is only small, but you have position, strong blockers, high card value and many times a wide range you play against.
    • nitrol
      nitrol
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      Joined: 24.07.2010 Posts: 12,073
      The problem is that most of the time you will be dominated by villain's range and you will be calling one or two streets with not that of a strong hand...
    • Andrepipocado
      Andrepipocado
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      Joined: 31.01.2018 Posts: 83
      FOLD THIS PF!
      As played i fold on the river