[NL2-NL10] AA,KK When I should to fold

    • marselio
      marselio
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      Joined: 27.01.2009 Posts: 61
      PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      SB ($6.95)
      BB ($10)
      UTG ($15.32)
      UTG+1 ($9.86)
      MP1 ($4.09)
      MP2 ($1.78)
      CO ($5.18)
      Hero (Button) ($9.02)

      Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A
      5 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, BB calls $0.15

      Flop: ($0.42) 8, 5, Q (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20

      Turn: ($0.82) 10 (2 players)
      BB bets $0.60, Hero raises to $2, BB raises to $3.85, Hero calls $1.85

      River: ($8.52) J (2 players)
      BB bets $5.75 (All-In), Hero calls $4.77 (All-In)

      Total pot: $18.06 | Rake: $0.85

      PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      UTG ($9.38)
      UTG+1 ($11.74)
      MP1 ($7.05)
      MP2 ($11.48)
      CO ($2.90)
      Button ($13.49)
      SB ($10.40)
      Hero (BB) ($4.66)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K
      3 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, 1 fold, Button calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, SB calls $0.25

      Flop: ($0.95) 9, 3, 6 (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, Button calls $0.70, SB raises to $1.80, Hero calls $1.10, Button calls $1.10

      Turn: ($6.35) 2 (3 players)
      SB bets $2.35, Hero raises to $2.56 (All-In), 1 fold, SB calls $0.21

      River: ($11.47) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

      Total pot: $11.47 | Rake: $0.55
  • 5 replies
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
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      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,385
      Pot one -

      You need to protect on that flop (FD and OESD possible). Bet should have been between 3/4 and pot sized. Id have considered as much as 50c, especially if id seen ppl cold calling alot of connectors / suited.

      Turn - confronted by a donk-bet on a card that completes a J9 draw... im probably going to play either fold or raise-fold here. Nearly certain that if you get re-raised again you are looking at something that can beat TP (set, str). TPGK (AQ, KQ, JQ) would probably call rather than re-raise.

      Definantly this is where you should have folded this pot.

      River - After playing raise-call on the turn you get donked again on the river. Even though the river card makes a str even more likely (any 9 has you) it probably doesnt matter. I am folding.


      Pot two -

      It is unlikely (except sets) that you are up against a made hand on that flop, but very likely someone could be drawing to a flush or a str. I am overbetting the pot to $1.2 in a bet-fold line here. Drawers will either fold or call and sets will re-raise looking to shove, in which case their set-mine has made them only $1.5 off me for a 30c investment (5-1 on a 7.5-1 chance to hit set).

      Definantly this is where you should have folded this pot.

      On the turn after playing bet-call you are confronted by a donk-bet, but by now you are already committed ($2.56 to win ~$11), and the 2c is really a nothing card for everyone. Since you chose to call flop you have to call turn.

      Pot 1 villain feels like 55, 88 or J9. Pot 2 villain reads as 8d7d, 33, 66 or 99.
    • soucy
      soucy
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      Joined: 28.11.2006 Posts: 2,092
      AA hand:

      Cbet $0.30-$0.35 to protect against draws.

      After he calls your cbet and leads out the turn raise it up for information. The T on the turn could have give him a 2pair or completed a gutshot. In fact that your 2 stacks deep i don't like to go broke here. So if he 3bet's a normal 3bet size i probably just fold against an unknown since we havn't invested that much and he is likely to have us beaten if he donk/min3bet. But giving us such great odds to call we can't find fold at the turn with an overpair to the board. He might semibluff with KQ, QJ or something.

      The river definetly beats us ... don't know what he should shove here what we still have beat. So i just fold the river. It's hard to let AA go but just think about what do you expect he openshoves what you still have beat?

      Watching his play on all streets he def. has most of the time a made hand which beats your overpair here. So i fold the river saving a complete stack.

      KK hand:

      As played i would shove the flop after his raise.
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
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      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,385
      Hero was the only raiser preflop in the KK hand :)
    • soucy
      soucy
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      Joined: 28.11.2006 Posts: 2,092
      My fault :) Anyway i'm going broke here most of the time.
    • marselio
      marselio
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      Joined: 27.01.2009 Posts: 61
      Thank you Jaissica. Your ideas are smart and reasonable. But the thing is, when i have poket AA or KK I can not think correctly about the situation. I just move the chips into the centre of the table((
      By the way in AA pot opp had pocket QQ and in KK he has pocket 99.
      So i should to work hard on myself)