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KT97ds 3bet pot, what options do we have oop?

    • 888Bingo888
      888Bingo888
      Silver
      Joined: 11.09.2016 Posts: 89
      Hi! I have a problem with this hands, I tend to overplay them a lot, IP it is easy to play, I am always flatting in that spot, vs 1 open raise, I am 3betting and calling vs 4bet ip.
      But when I play oop, I have a big problem with this hand, What options do I have? Fold? flat and play it oop?

      PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 186 BB (VPIP: 10.34, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
      Hero (SB): 710 BB
      BB: 246 BB (VPIP: 18.83, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 2.22, Hands: 154)
      UTG: 164.5 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 23.33, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 30)
      MP: 209.5 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
      CO: 93 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

      Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7:diamond: 9:diamond: T:club: K:club:

      fold, MP raises to 3.5 BB, CO raises to 12 BB, when the action come to hero @ sb, how are we supposed to preceed?
  • 7 replies
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
      Moderator
      Moderator
      Joined: 12.11.2008 Posts: 38,930
      Problem with calling is that you don't close the action and if the MP makes a big 4bet you can't call, but in game I would make a tight fold with double suited hand like this as PLO fish.

      Cheers,
      SDK1987
    • Zhusy
      Zhusy
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.01.2010 Posts: 384
      OOP, no info on CO, 9hi FD and K hi FD, wanna stack for it? Go. CO has <100BBs, he is "cheap", what about the MPs 200BBs?

      I would make a tight fold too.
    • Mascherano95
      Mascherano95
      Bronze
      Joined: 09.10.2010 Posts: 156
      that fold would not even be "tight". it is pretty standard.. oop we want to come over the top with AA or premium KK, maybe even QQ (when we think the openraise and 3bet are so loose) or we call a hand that hits more smooth. This hand has good flushvalue, but our twopairs are often dominated by higher rundowns or pair+draws. We also dont flop straightdraws so good because the hand is too gappy. I would call something like QJT8ds or T987ds. When MP has 100bb or is folding to 3bets I would come over the top with a cold 4-bet.
    • Kyyberi
      Kyyberi
      Coach
      Coach
      Joined: 09.07.2010 Posts: 11,228
      Rule of thumb: Don't cold call 3bets.

      In short, we have 3 reasons to play a hand:
      - We have better range
      - We have skill edge
      - We have position

      When you are cold calling 3bets, often none of these applies.
    • Mascherano95
      Mascherano95
      Bronze
      Joined: 09.10.2010 Posts: 156
      We could have a better range, like dominating rundowns that have no significant equity advantage nor foldequity. Like AJT9ds > T875ss. Or should we cold 4-bet here? We clearly do not want to get 5-bet with a hand like this one
    • Mascherano95
      Mascherano95
      Bronze
      Joined: 09.10.2010 Posts: 156
      I would be 4-betting 4-card rundowns like JT98ds to balance my AA portion of range. But there are some hands, I am not so sure if calling or folding.
    • Kyyberi
      Kyyberi
      Coach
      Coach
      Joined: 09.07.2010 Posts: 11,228
      100bb deep no need to balance your 4bet range.

      200bb those 4bet pots are quite close to 3bet pots in 100bb game. So when you start to play deeper, then you need to have little deception on your 4bet range. As 4betting only Aces 200bb+ is same as 3betting only Aces 100bb deep. Definitely still profitable against bad players, but decent regs start to exploit you.