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[NL10] bottom three of kind with 3bet mwp

    • ToddBrunson
      ToddBrunson
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      Joined: 23.05.2010 Posts: 399
      I hope other two players plays overpair. Maybe flop i had to call and turn push or fold. The open raiser tag 18/14, pre flop folded against 3bet 25 and flop folded with 3bet pot 50. The other player plays 25/20 and 3bet range 15.

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players


      SB: $10.35 (103.5 bb)
      BB: $19.55 (195.5 bb)
      MP1: $10.60 (106 bb)
      Hero (MP2): $13.71 (137.1 bb)
      MP3: $8 (80 bb)
      CO: $15.05 (150.5 bb)
      BTN: $10.10 (101 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with :3h: :3c:
      MP1 raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds, BTN raises to $1.20, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

      Flop: ($3.75) :8h: :3s: :7c: (3 players)
      MP1 checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $1.90, MP1 calls $1.90, Hero raises to $6.54, BTN raises to $8.90 and is all-in, MP1 raises to $9.40 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.86

      Turn: ($31.45) :6s: (3 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($31.45) :Js: (3 players, 2 are all-in)

      Results: $31.45 pot ($1.42 rake)
      Final Board: :8h: :3s: :7c: :6s: :Js:
      MP1 showed :8s: :8d: and won $30.03 ($19.43 net)
      Hero showed :3h: :3c: and lost (-$10.60 net)
      BTN showed :As: :Ac: and lost (-$10.10 net)
  • 7 replies
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
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      Joined: 12.11.2008 Posts: 38,970
      Pre-flop seems standard or you should fold right away.
      On the flop I would just shove right away after his bet.
      If you raise you will be committed any way.

      Cheers,
      SDK1987
    • ToddBrunson
      ToddBrunson
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      Joined: 23.05.2010 Posts: 399
      Thanks, yes i have to fold pre flop? What range which i have to call in mwp 3bet pot? 77++ -JJ, and KQs, AJs, AQos, 78s-J10s?
    • Mozzek
      Mozzek
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      Joined: 16.07.2016 Posts: 1,124
      I think it´s too wide to flat 33 vs UTG open, you should play tight there. If you don´t then you hop into spots like this and you don´t know if you can set mine. Flop is tough, I´d just call and donk shove on most turns. As played I think it´s overplay, villains have 88, 77 and I don´t think you would find both of them stacking OP on this flop, at least one will be capable to fold it most of the time. Just don´t call the OR preflop.
    • ToddBrunson
      ToddBrunson
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      Joined: 23.05.2010 Posts: 399
      MP1 open raise with tag player, and i just call, and same situation which pair to good call, 66-99, maybe 1010. But maybe better play 1010 pre flop 3bet. I know depends the open raise, how many wtsd, pre flop 3bet call, post flop cbet fold in 3bet pot. And call good in mwp with 78s-J10s? KQs almost always dominated, so i think folded better than call in 3bet mwp.
    • Mozzek
      Mozzek
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      Joined: 16.07.2016 Posts: 1,124
      Well I dont flat MP vs EP at all, so I can´t help you there, but I´m pretty sure 33 is too wide to call. I´d say SC would work good as a call, same as middling pp.
    • Andrepipocado
      Andrepipocado
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      Joined: 31.01.2018 Posts: 83
      fold this pf
    • Mbowley
      Mbowley
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      Joined: 03.12.2014 Posts: 8
      Maybe its not been explained indepth but the comments are right, it is a fold pre flop. This is for many reasons, but firstly utg1 raising is at the top of his range and not bluffing, you are however at the low end of your range with position granted, but by calling you allow other players in with suited connectors later in the pre flop hands for a cheap but valuable call and with position on you, or which is what happens, get 3-bet and again this should be a fold.
      Firstly you have to hit a set to make any money here, and the odds state that a player must be able to pay you 20x what you put in for it to be profitable, you do not include your call of $0.30 but you need one opponent with 20x your call, which is 20 x $.90 = $18. Only BB has this and he is not currently in the hand, and if he is he is almost always going to raise (again he's at a value range to do this = good hands vs 33 and a strong utg raise).

      The hands pre flop was weak and post flop was not quite the monster than you'd hoped for and this is a 3-bet pot. I certainly think that players could have overpairs and this flop is relatively dry and atm youre only losing to exactly 88 or 77, the current pot is 1/3 of opponents stacks, which you do not count your extra BBs as you cannot earn more than your opponents have, I would like to know more about the stats like total hands played as the info may not be accurate on a low number of hands.

      Overall i don't think that shoving on the flop was terrible however as only 2 hands beat you so any over pairs have 5% against you. I would urge you to read the basic starting hands guide, which is okay to deviate when you fully understand what you're doing.